How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
You don't watch, you don't care about making up the numbers in the CL and dont seem fussed about finishing above Spurs.
So how exactly was it a disaster for 'us'?
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How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
You don't watch, you don't care about making up the numbers in the CL and dont seem fussed about finishing above Spurs.
So how exactly was it a disaster for 'us'?
You really should get yourself a bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
LIDL don't sell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/twin...9-lidl-1424727Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
That deal is expired.
You're hard work mate.
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When we needed to get a result against the gypos - LOST 2-0
When we needed to get a result against the chavs - LOST 2-1
When we needed to get a results against the scum - LOST 2-1
When we needed to get a result against the toffees - DREW 0-0
1 points from 12 in the big games at the business end of the season. Our team has no bottle and the board has sold the bottle bank. We don't deserve a CL spot because we're easily the worst team in the top 5. The gutless loss of points at home against Everton was a scandal. Some have said it was a good result, I don't see it. It was a vital match we absolutely had to get 3 points from. We failed, just as we have failed in every single big game over the last few seasons.
Next week we rely entirely on Utd not turning up because there's nothing in our team that can produce a result on our own merit. Plus Wenger will field a shit team and leave that team on the pitch for 68 minutes. For a brief moment we had our fate in our own hands. That was a huge disadvantage because we never perform when that's the case. Even yesterday when Fulham went down to ten you could see the performance drop. What an awful team we have here, the worst in decades.
But I still think we'll somehow fluke 4th. One of our opponents will screw up and we'll stumble over the line by default. I say this because the only thing we could get from such a dreadful non-event of a season would be realisation from the vampires that run the club that at least a little investment is required. Finish 4th and they'll have an excuse to ignore the fact. And we'll end up with nothing except anticipation of a pointless re-run in 2013/14.
Agree wholeheartedly with everything you say here NQ. It's all a real mess now at the club, all of our own making. Maybe Kroenke, Gazdick, Wenger & the players deserve this but surely not the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Either way can't see anything changing, top 4 or not.
It's going to go down to the last game of the season IMHO. All 3 of us (Chavs, Spuds & us) will be involved.
Worryingly I don't think we can afford to lose anymore games, I think the absolute bare minimum we need is 7 points and that will be touch and go. Ideally we should be looking at 10 out of the remaining 12 points available.
We'll probably be in 5th by the time we face United, but at least if we lose that, we know that 6 points from QPR and Wigan (which shouldn't be a huge ask realistically) will put us where we need to be going in to the final day.
It's in our hands, just.
Us = ArsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Therefore that result = disaster
Although pillow biter did "us" a favour.
Why are you so concerned about it?
Pretty much agree with all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I just asked a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Took you long enough to answer and even then you had to go back and edit it a couple of minutes later.
Exactly where the danger lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I was watching the post match reaction and F1 highlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Yeah I felt the need to point out that the Chelsea result changes things somewhat.
I don't know when the spuds v chelsea match is but that's arguably our biggest game of the season and we aren't even involved.
How the mighty have fallen.
If we are in the top 4 after that match then we should finish top 4
If we aren't, Wenger needs to find new bs cos the x amount of years in the CL won't be valid next season
Yes but 1 attempt at qualifying for the Europa league and 1 success is a 100% record. Not even you can criticise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
it's funny how things always seem to fall in place when it comes to getting 4th, the strangest events always seem to occur letting us off the hook when we seem to have blown it.
Both Chelsea and Tottenham have bankers next week and with us losing to Man Utd, both will be above us with a game in hand.
It's going to be tough
Bankers. :lol:
No such thing in this league.
True, but Arsenal v Man U is nearly as close as it gets rhese days.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Hmm, I don't think we're that nailed on to beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
They might scrape a draw.
It's only three in a row in the league against Man Utd.
It might be a must win for us which we don't have a good record against the best sides in but it's possibly a don't even need a point for Man Utd.
Yes, it's funny how a run of P12 W9 D2 L1 has seen us in contention of a top 4 place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachme...4&d=1361266517Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
All games are big games at the business end of the season all you've done is cherry pick some poor results. Two of those are against sides who are clearly better than us, the other two are sides who are much closer to us in ability. Spurs away was always going to be a defeat, we've not won away against a top side all season because we're not at that level any more. Everton at home was a disappointment but we played well enough and dominated most of the game, we lacked a cutting edge and a top class striker but we all knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm fairly confident (if that's the right word) that we'll lose on Sunday vs Utd, that's not us bottling it, that's us losing to a far better side than us. In the run in we've been beating the sides we 'should' be beating, that's given us a chance.
Agree with a lot of the rest of your post but cherry picking some poor results against good sides doesn't really demonstrate your point.
I wasn't just talking about this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Besides, by all intents and purposes we've been playing sh*t according to the match reports on here and have been "lucky" to win some games (again according to what has been posted), in fact we've been pretty sh*t all season.
The Chelsea game today is what I'm talking about though, Suarez should have been off and then scores 6 and a half minutes into injury time.....Spurs collapse on the back of the Redknapp controversy last year was another as was the food poisoning incident a few years back.
You don't finish top 4 every single year by luck Zimm. You've cited some incidents where we got lucky, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to cherry pick some where we got bad luck. It's easy to make any point by doing that. After 38 games you are where you are. League table never lies...unless it says something you don't want to hear?
If we hadn't won, we wouldn't have gained two points on them.
Putting it down to pure luck is silly because that kinda means there can be no discussing or analysis about where we're going wrong - if luck is the main factor.
Spurs won 5-0 against Newcastle when the Redknapp England talk was rife and after the court case. They did a Spurs because they're Spurs.
Ok but if Chelsea win today our chances are really in the balance and yet Suarez bites a player doesn't get sent off and then wins the game 6 1/2 minutes into injury time (there were only 6 minutes and I'm not even sure where they got that from) thus bringing us right back into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
These aren't your average match incidents to be fair.
I didn't put it down to luck to be fair, people posted on here and said we were awful and were lucky (not my words).Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It's just strange how events seems to conspire and we end up with 4th, we were miles behind Spurs after the defeat to them (everyone thought we were out of it) and then Bale got injured and they've had a bit of a mare since then. It's not like we've suddenly started playing amazingly well and swept all our opponents aside either.
I pointed out Wenger mentioned the run yesterday (which I knew he would at some point as he always does as proof that we're a top side and don't need much), but despite the results it's not been champagne football from and in form team.
Maybe not on this instance but you have before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
It's not strange at all because again, we went on a winning run after losing that game. If you do that, it makes it look like the luck has fallen in to place. Just like in 08/09 with regards to Villa, or indeed last season. If we don't win our games we aren't in a position to take advantage of what happens in any run-in to any team in any league.
It's not been champagne football but we aren't a champagne team, we're rose water. You get rose water performances.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...sSao4msz1e_JJwQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Worked through the BBC predictor results, we get 5th losing out on 4th to Chelsea on goal difference (both on 72 points) <_< :ilt:
Some games in a season you get lucky, others you're unlucky. Over the course of a season these things roughly even out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
I posted above the stats above of our recent run. That can't all be luck although we have rode our luck in some games. It's not been champagne football, no, but at the business end of the season it's all about results and we've been getting them. Anyone else on that run and you'd praise them for grinding out results, we do it and you dismiss it as luck.
As for closing the gap on Spurs. We were 7 points behind Spurs after they beat us, they then lost 2 in a row which helped us close the gap. The games were Fulham at home and Liverpool away and Bale played in both. Bale only missed one league game which they drew, that was Everton at home which was never a gimme. So no, they haven't had a 'mare' since Bale got injured. Again, if Arsenal had lost 2 games like that you'd have said we'd bottled it. Spurs do it and it's 'events' and you try (inaccurately) to blame it on Bale's injury
I see no problem with Wenger mentioning our run, it has been a very good run which has kept us in contention of a top 4 finishing. It's not 'events', it us getting results when we needed to. I really have no idea if we'll finish top 4 this year, if we do it'll say something about the quality of the PL (which I think we all know is pretty low this year) but it won't be luck.
Apart from our board.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I'm not cherry picking results. I'm picking the results against our closest rivals in the race for a top 4 spot. Any sort of success in any of these games would have made a big difference to the standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Looking at all the crunch matches.
Arsenal 0-0 Everton (1 pt)
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal (0 pt)
Arsenal 1-3 Bayern Munich (CL)
Arsenal 0-1 Blackburn (FA CUP)
Chelsea 2-1 Arsenal (0 pt)
Arsenal 0-2 Man City (0 pt)
Bradford 1-1 Arsenal (Bradford win 3-2 on penalties) (LC)
Everton 1-1 Arsenal (1 pt)
Arsenal 5-2 Tottenham (3 pts) - Our only win against our rivals this season, vs 10 men
Man Utd 2-1 Arsenal (0 pt)
Arsenal 1-2 Chelsea (0 pt)
Man City 1-1 Arsenal (1 pt)
Trophies available: 4 / Trophies winnable: 0
Points available: 27 / Points won: 6 (it will be 30/6 after the Utd loss)
In contrast:
Robin van Persie - 22 points gained from his goals, Man Utd walk the PL
When people say, well Walcott has 88 goals and Giroud has 327 goals plus 900 assists so he must be good - where were their goals and assists when it really mattered? Nowhere. We're only in the race for 4th spot because the quality of the teams in this league has plunged dramatically. This has hidden a stunning lack of performance that wouldn't be acceptable at any other big club (and hasn't been as we have seen). The board and the manager can talk all the shit they want but the results speak louder. In this crappy league we MIGHT grab a CL place but it's only useful for the money it will pile into the club's bank account. We'll be easy meat for any decent continental outfit.
I still have a degree of sympathy for Wenger, having to build a team out of the shit we have. But that sympathy wanes when he then digs to the very bottom of the sewer and hauls up Giroud and Walcott and Gervinho. Our season was over the moment we let RvP go (and Utd won the league at the same moment). The results thereafter were a formality. That's why I highlight these games because these are the games where quality makes the difference, maybe not on a one-off but over a season.
We're just fortunate that the spuds and chavs are shite too.
Yesterday wasn't about luck. The defence hung on pretty well, I wouldn't say they played well but they managed to keep a 10 man Fulham from getting a more than deserved draw. The real factor yesterday was metal attitude. As soon as we sniffed an advantage our game collapsed. We were the team that looked a man short, and in fact we were because Walcott and Giroud were on the pitch most of the game. The only slice of luck we enjoyed, which was huge, was Giroud getting sent off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
You say closest rivals and then include Utd, Bayern and City in there? Make up your mind. Our closest rivals are Spurs, Everton, Fulham etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Some good points made in your various posts, mate. I think we'll sneak 4th - but even ignoring the other issues, sneaking 4th every year (and we have habitually 'sneaked it' for years) is a sad indictment on a club that has clearly, clearly lost its way. It feels humiliating, whatever we say about the money available to the competition. The EPL sucks this year - yet Manure - with a proper winners attitude has smashed it open, while we filed what I agree is the poorest team ever under Wenger. We used to expect to win. Now our hearts are in our mouths against Norwich, Fulham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Spurs lack consistency, but what worries me is that they have a bold, hungry manager who is capable of changing games when needed. This is why it feels like they are on the up. We feel like we are floundering - and the sad thing is that it feels more basic than simply buying better players.
We are not shite, relative to the performances around us - but given that Chelsea are suffering from managerial changes; Citeh have yet to build a team that isn't just mercenary and AVB is only in his second full season - our club needs to take a long look at itself.