Whose Fault Is It?

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

nah

he'd organise the defence and buy the required players. he'd actually apply tactics.

said so himself plenty of times

plus he has something wenger doesnt. common sense.

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You don't need tactics or to think about the opposition or even worry about defending, you just play your own game and hope you win. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Munchies

He should have gone after the 07/08 season, would have been immortalised as a club legend, statues and everything.

Right now, people are counting the days till he leaves. Sad really.

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Should have gone at the end of the 03/04 season

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Pretty much

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Last time I noticed retired people didn't have jobs.

The next guy that continues with this shit is out of the thread.

Don't say a lot on here and don't intend to, but being around the block a few times I became disillusioned with the AW project a few seasons ago. Obviously there's a stadium to pay for but even the best companies in the World have to speculate to accumulate. If they were in the position AFC have been in for a few seasons now they would have taken a punt or two and put themselves in a position where they would have spent a few quid to be up with the Citehs, the Utds and the Blues. Sadly I can see that being extended to the Spuds. Allegedly we had the best Harvard can offer looking after our finances - well they aren't that good then are they???

As for George Graham, he was dabbling with relegation in a vanity project in 1995 when he thankfully went, having spent fuck all for two years running a tight defence with the likes of Steve Morrow and David Hillier in front of it having won the league at a canter in 91.

I think we need to accept managers get old and start believing their own publicity. Fergie would have gone years ago if he didn't have so many dodgy reffing decisions go his way. Utd would not have won so many titles given the even playing field we all live with, but SAF had too much sway. AW has seriously had his day. As people have said, he is living in a golden age in the past and football has moved on. Just like it did with George Graham.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It makes my head spin trying to think about what the hell is going on at the club, who is responsible for what, why we haven't spent this summer. I don't believe Wenger is blameless but neither do I believe you can blame him solely. What percentage of blame would you assign to who?

I'll keep this simple by splitting it between 'the board' and Wenger.

Wenger 70%
The Board 30%.

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wenger runs the club. the board are irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Nayan

wenger runs the club. the board are irrelevant

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If they are then that in itself is the board's fault. They are his bosses. If they've let Wenger have too much control then that's a weakness in them. Or, more likely, they're happy with him keeping us top 4, it keeps the money rolling in so they're happy. You cannot absolve them of any blame for that.

For all the nonsense on here, Wenger's clearly a good manager. We finished 4th last year FFS and even if you think it was luck that we finished above Spurs (it wasn't), the top 5 were well clear of the rest so even if Spurs had finished ahead of us we'd have been 5th last year. Utd won the title because they had the best manager I'd say in the history of football. City and Chelsea can clearly outspend us and while we should have been closer last year with our resources, finishing below them is no disgrace.
So, we've got a terrible manager and terrible players and we still finished top 4? Really?
Either our players are amazing and managed to finish top 4 despite a terrible manager or we have terrible players and Wenger is a genius.
Or, and I'm just reaching here, maybe we have pretty good players and a pretty good manager.

BUT, the club as a whole are clearly inept in the transfer market. If Wenger is entirely in charge of that, or too involved, then he shouldn't be. The board need to tell him to STFU and let them get on with dealing with the transfer market. And if whoever is in charge of negotiations can't close deals then they need to find someone who can.

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Originally Posted by Letters

If they are then that in itself is the board's fault. They are his bosses. If they've let Wenger have too much control then that's a weakness in them. Or, more likely, they're happy with him keeping us top 4, it keeps the money rolling in so they're happy. You cannot absolve them of any blame for that.

For all the nonsense on here, Wenger's clearly a good manager. We finished 4th last year FFS and even if you think it was luck that we finished above Spurs (it wasn't), the top 5 were well clear of the rest so even if Spurs had finished ahead of us we'd have been 5th last year. Utd won the title because they had the best manager I'd say in the history of football. City and Chelsea can clearly outspend us and while we should have been closer last year with our resources, finishing below them is no disgrace.
So, we've got a terrible manager and terrible players and we still finished top 4? Really?
Either our players are amazing and managed to finish top 4 despite a terrible manager or we have terrible players and Wenger is a genius.
Or, and I'm just reaching here, maybe we have pretty good players and a pretty good manager.

BUT, the club as a whole are clearly inept in the transfer market. If Wenger is entirely in charge of that, or too involved, then he shouldn't be. The board need to tell him to STFU and let them get on with dealing with the transfer market. And if whoever is in charge of negotiations can't close deals then they need to find someone who can.

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well yeah but thats like saying tony blair's gulf war is every labour voter's fault.

also you need to distinguish these days between the board and the owner. in the dein/fiszman etc days they were sort of the same thing. Nowadays the board are a just bunch of stooges - the best arsenal comment ive seen recently was that placard saying 'Ivan Gazidis - what the fuck do you do?'

we are a property fund/business case with a footbal club stuck on as an afterthought and have been for a decade at least. Under Kronke especially there is no plan other than let 'wenger do what he wants as long as the money keeps coming in.' Today's board are not there to direct him as dein did - they are there to wipe his arse

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Should have gone at the end of the 03/04 season

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Ridiculous. he challenged for the title twice after that and also got to a CL final.