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That I can understand. He wasn't aware and had this clueless look on his face. :lol: I don't think it was intentional either. He was just napping which is a mistake. It wasn't the right decision. If Bendy had done the same thing Carl did it would have been interpreted in a completely different way. The old 'he doesn't care' taunts would be thrown out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa's Big Sack.........of Gifts
Exactly right.Quote:
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Little bit proof. :lol:Quote:
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Dumb and dumber in action :coffee:Quote:
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You make an interesting point and that was actually my other concern. His supposed lack of awareness. He really should have been more aware of his team mates positions in that scenario so that his actions were at least informed by awareness of the situation around him. Rather than through ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa's Big Sack.........of Gifts
I like Jenkinson and I think he can actually play rather than just getting the favour of being cheap, English and an Arsenal fan (which I've heard a few suggest on this board), but he does have a fair bit to learn still. Like I said I won't hammer him, but I was quite surprised seeing it as it played out.
If as some are seeming to suggest that Bendtner is not a player you throw the ball to, even in that scenario then that is an absolute and ringing indictment of the manager allowing such a situation where such a player is even on a field.
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Originally Posted by Santa's Big Sack.........of Gifts
I like Carl but what he did here was just stupid and could have cost Arsenal 2 points . And also he proved how poor his judgement and awareness are . It was a rare occasion to extend the lead and release a bit of pressure . I 'm sure Wenger had told him and would never advocate such a silly action .
Looking at that, Jenks obviously sped up when he realised Nicklas was there and then the chance had gone.
The idiot Newcastle full back was even trying his best to play him on side FFS!
Don't over think it.
He was running down the clock. Plain and simple.
Definitely should've been more alert but I think too much is being made of it. If we're being fair he's also the only reason we got that throw-in in the first place. Otherwise the ball was heading straight back into our area from the left wing.
The guy has now awareness of what was going on that's pretty clear, sure you try and run down the time but if there's a good chance to score a 2nd and win it all the better.
Yeah it was just plain stupidity, if he wants to be in the 1st team he needs to impress in every possible way.
You can't be offside from a throw in at any case so that didn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Santa's Big Sack.........of Gifts is right, though I made the same point earlier in this thread <_<. Jenks' first instinct was understanbly to run down the clock in the 93th minute so you can't have that much of a go at the lad ....... though he should have been more situationally aware. Scanning his surroundings and wasting time are not mutually exclusive events.
Oh yeah. Doh!
I don't think anyone disagrees what his first instinct was as that was generally what the team was doing at the time. Incidentally most concede he should have been more aware too, not least because Nicklas is frantically waving his arms in the air screaming at him.
So we are all pretty much in agreement, it just happens that some think too much is being made of it but that comment in itself was probably the reason why we continued to debate it. :d
I personally would have taken it quickly but eating up the clock was logical as well.
You're obviously a smart guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by MOëL
Honestly I don't see what the problem was. Yeh it was frustrating but when you realise
it was bendtner who was screaming for it on his own you know that he probably would've done fuck all with it anyway.
Jenks did the job that wenger probably instructed him to do, run down the clock and see out the 1-0.
This is a completely nothing debate from people who are desperate to find something to moan about now we're top of the league.
It's going into injury time in a game which we need to win to go top of the league. We're under pressure, the first priority is to run down the clock, keep a clean sheet, win the game. A second goal would have been nice and settled nerves but the first priority is what we have, we hold.
The very people moaning about this were moaning about how naive we were to push for a winner against Dortmund when we got caught then. Jenkinson was way up the field, if he'd taken it quickly and it had gone wrong he'd have been out of position. He was facing away from Bendtner when he was screaming for it, soon as he realised he looked to throw it to him but the moment had gone.
I know this is an Arsenal messageboard but do we really need to over-analyze every decision. We won the game, we're top of the league. Cheer up FFS!
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Spot on.Quote:
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I really don't understand the point of some things that get debated on here at times :shrug:
There's a reason it's widely regarded as the worst Arsenal forum on the web.Quote:
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Oh right........I see :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MOëL
Exactly right. The over-analysis is pointless and quite boring. Especially when some often get it so wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Exactly right.Quote:
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Wenger?Quote:
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I think that is unfair. And technically speaking we have been top of the league most of the time anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
99% of the time it's the right thing to time waste when you're a goal up in stoppage time. But not when you can play a striker through on goal while their keeper is scrambling back to his area. :lol:
We had plenty of bodies back even if we did lose the ball there so there wasn't a major threat of a counter either. Oh well, it was worth it just for that gif... Bentdner :pal: :lol:
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Originally Posted by MOëL
:doh: Why the constant snip at posters? We're not all going to agree just because we won. Not so long ago you said the last 10 minutes were frustrating to watch because of the defensive subs. Has anyone accused you of having a moan? If someone were to disagree with your post, isn't it okay for you to explain why it's frustrating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
Just a few minutes ago we were all praising Rosicky and that stemmed from Blink's original post until someone brought up the Jenkinson issue which he addressed. It's not all negative we're just talking about a contentious part of the game, just like the Wenger subs you spoke on. Just because we won doesn't mean every decision was right. Everyone is happy with the 3 points.
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I think the difference is that some have been calling Jenks stupid and shite just because he took his time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's a little unfair tbh especially when he had his back to the pitch when the ball went out of play anyway. If anything he did the right thing by wasting time IMO. Get the points in the bag. If he'd have played a quick pass and bendtner (inevitably) had fucked it up leading to a toon equaliser, People would be even more pissed.
It still makes me laugh that people thought bendtner would have actually scored!
I don't think anyone is being overly harsh on Jenkinson. I haven't many crazy comments. It's Bendy that's getting undue stick. He's not total garbage it's just his attitude and what's gone on with what he's said about the club.
Well, it would be if anyone knew about it.Quote:
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really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Bendtner has always been shit though.
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Did you catch the debate about whether we are signing Reus or Diego Costa? :haha:
To refuse to take on the clearest goal scoring opportunity you can ever hope for in favour of spoiling....What a despicable way to win the league :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
The very people saying it was the the right thing to do will be the first to wank themselves silly about Arsenal winning it "the right way" if we somehow manage to finish top.
As much as I like a GW bash. I had a peek at Arsenalmania and.....Quote:
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Jenkinson had better publicly apologize to Bendtner and the fans for that. It's not acceptable.
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I agree.
And the very people saying it was the wrong thing to do would be the first to moan if we went too gung-ho, did something silly and failed to protect a 1-0 need to get a very important away win. Arsenal are not in general, "1-0 to the Arsenal" any more but one thing we have failed to do over the last few years is hang on to leads. We've made too many silly defensive mistakes which have cost us points and cost us trophies. If we've learnt some lessons about that and are doing that better then great. I wouldn't want us to be boring boring Arsenal again but sometimes you need to shut up shop and protect a lead in a tight game. You don't just win titles with a "you score 3, we'll score 4" attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
You were ‘moaning’ about the defensive subs yourself and I guess the Jenkinson incident just epitomises the way we totally abandoned our attacking play and invited pressure on ourselves. It would have only been Bendy and maybe one other Arsenal player making a run to go for goal so it wouldn’t have effected our defensive shape at all. Again, main crux of the issue, if we’re going to try and see out a 1 nil victory, it makes sense to at least leave a player on for counter attacking moments like that. Theo would have been perfect. It’s a much better plan B if implemented right.
Jenks had his back to the pitch when the ball went out of play, he didn't know bendtner was in the middle. Why is it so hard for people to grasp.
He did nothing wrong ffs.
This is pathetic, anyone would think he cost us the game.
Yes going all out defensive wasn't great to watch, and I would have preferred to see Theo stay on and poldi join him but at least for once, wenger had a plan and got the points.
As letters says, we've always been criticised for years about how we keep on attacking till the end when we don't need to and end up dropping points. Now wengers doin something about it people don't like it.
You can't have it all.
Is there nothing else to talk about apart from this pointless shit?!?
:doh: No one has gun to your head. You know you don’t have to take part if it’s pointless. Calm down, dude. :lol:
You seem to be getting things mixed up. This isn’t an attack on Jenkinson. Also, this isn’t anything new from Wenger. We had a Spurs game where we drew 4-4 because we went too defensive with the subs and it just invited pressure and we conceded in injury time. Thankfully, we have a much better defence and we’re more organised. We can easily combine that into a sucker punch as teams have done the same to us.