Match reaction v Bayern

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

A lot of us on here don't seem too bothered about losing last night because ultimately we aren't good enough to win the C.L. - the only problem is how many years into Wumgers reign will we be saying the same. Our seasons now seem like deja vu, we can already look at next years C.L & virtually know that we will finish 2nd in our group because Wumger decided NOT to win it followed with being knocked out by a team with a new manager ( confirming that Wumgers age old reign is doing us no favours )but with world class players in every position. They don't have to play a lad upfront who hardly knows how to get to the Emirates let alone play football at C.L. level.
We played so well for 25 minutes last night. Why, because we attacked them. Its what they work at in training. Reminded me of the 1st half against Napoli. Bayern struggled to get into out half. If we can do this to the best team in Europe why aren't we playing like that against the Chavs & the Mancs. Why do we sit back so much with a team of attacking midfielders, it doeasn't & can't work.
Ozil needs to change his game if he ever wants to be a success. He needs to stay central a play in the strikers running behind the defense, like Courtinho was doing against us. Its useless for him to wander wide like he does. The English game does not allow time on the ball for wide men & he doesn't have the pace to get passed people.
Kos was excellent again. It shows why Bayern are after him & to be honest unless Wumger finally relents & realises we need WORLD CLASS PLAYERS all over the pitch instead of his bargain buys, then again you could not blame him if he leaves - it must be so frustrating for certain players to be at Arsenal under this manager.

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Tbf, Kos was a bargain buy. I think Wenger got that one little bit right.

For a manager supposedly shit with buying defenders, we have an outstanding back four. One of the best IMO.

Again......WE ARE MISSING A WORLD CLASS STRIKER. And as it happens, Ramsey and Theo.

That is all.

That was Wengers summer "failing". failure to buy a worldy up top....

And in all fairness...with our resources, we have to be sure if we're going to spunk 30-40mil on a striker. Sure that he's not going to be shit. Like that spurs penalty taker bloke. Who is fucking shit.

World class all over the pitch :haha:

We need one player. That one player opens the whole team up.

Kosc is bloody great, when he charged forwards towards the end with the ball , and the whole stadium roared. Wow. I felt it from my tv.

Our back 4 is the reason as to why we're still 2nd, however, Monreal isn't going to cut it as a backup as Gibbs is injury prone, and we need atleast another 2 decent CBs now that Tommy V is leaving.

I honestly do believe, if we had a Higuain sort of striker in place of Yaya, Ramsey in place of Wilshere, and Theo starting, we could've won this game.

Having a Suarez/Higuain sort of striker makes the world of difference. In the case of Suarez, if he's not getting involved, he's able to drift wide and all over the front, which would massively help in getting the best out of Ozil. Sanogo/Bentdner/Giroud hardly move around up front, which makes it easier for defenders to defend against. FFS Wenger :( , Higuain would've been perfect.

Monreal is crap isn't he :lol: He's just constantly caught out of position.

Was one way traffic in the second half but tbf we were playing against the best or second best team on the planet so of course they're going to dominate against 10 men.

As each year passes, I find myself caring less and less for this competition.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Tbf, Kos was a bargain buy. I think Wenger got that one little bit right.

For a manager supposedly shit with buying defenders, we have an outstanding back four. One of the best IMO.

Again......WE ARE MISSING A WORLD CLASS STRIKER. And as it happens, Ramsey and Theo.

That is all.

That was Wengers summer "failing". failure to buy a worldy up top....

And in all fairness...with our resources, we have to be sure if we're going to spunk 30-40mil on a striker. Sure that he's not going to be shit. Like that spurs penalty taker bloke. Who is fucking shit.

World class all over the pitch :haha:

We need one player. That one player opens the whole team up.

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One player!!!! - Sagna s possibly off & Jenks is useless, we do not have a quality left back, Merts is not getting any younger & we need another decent CB cover, we do not have a quality defensive midfielder, we do not have a quality left sided attacking midfielder & all 3 of our strikers would struggle to make an impact in the Champoinship. We need rid of Bentdner, Monreal, Arteta, Vermaelen, Rosicky & Jenks as they do not have the quality required. Therefore, to have a similar sized squad next year & to add the quality required we're should be looking at 6/7 players, some of them squad players.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

As each year passes, I find myself caring less and less for this competition.

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Totally agree, its like going shopping in Harrods knowing you won't be able to buy anything.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

As each year passes, I find myself caring less and less for this competition.

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I'm not that bothered about going out to be honest, but I never expect us to do anything in it so I'm not disappointed when we don't get into the latter stages. I'll be disappointed when I believe we have a team capable of winning it I think, but right now don't really care about it.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Totally agree, its like going shopping in Harrods knowing you won't be able to buy anything.

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True :lol:

The team did us proud though. 10 men against the best team in the world is a tough ask.

I've never felt rollercoaster emotions like that since the CL final in 06, the early pen, the miss. Red card, then their miss .

Lol at Spuds playing Dnipro tonight :haha:

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Originally Posted by Munchies

True :lol:

The team did us proud though. 10 men against the best team in the world is a tough ask.

I've never felt rollercoaster emotions like that since the CL final in 06, the early pen, the miss. Red card, then their miss .

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I agree. Nothing wrong with the effort & the sending off ruined the game.

Why is it they we have signed the only German who misses penalties?

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Why is it they we have signed the only German who misses penalties?

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hes been infected with Wengeritis. The other German whom would definitely have scored the pen was on the bench watching the fantastic postman at work

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Why is it they we have signed the only German who misses penalties?

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He's Turkish :coffee: . No German in him.

I don't know why he does that stuttered run up, just put your foot through it ffs

As soon as I saw him stepping up I called it he'd miss, from the sounds of it so did many others. Body language was completely wrong. That Marseille penalty alone was enough reason to ensure he should never take one for us again. Why do players try that stupid run up? I've never seen anyone have success like that.

Santi should have taken it.

Santi should've never been taken off tbf, Ozil was shattered after the miss.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

As soon as I saw him stepping up I called it he'd miss, from the sounds of it so did many others. Body language was completely wrong. That Marseille penalty alone was enough reason to ensure he should never take one for us again. Why do players try that stupid run up? I've never seen anyone have success like that.

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Messi does but his brain has already spotted which way the keeper is going. Neuer went to his left quite early, Ozil should have seen it & shot to his right. You would think out of all the footballers alive, Ozil would have better vision than most.

Didn't see the match and judging by what's been said glad I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

One player!!!! - Sagna s possibly off & Jenks is useless, we do not have a quality left back, Merts is not getting any younger & we need another decent CB cover, we do not have a quality defensive midfielder, we do not have a quality left sided attacking midfielder & all 3 of our strikers would struggle to make an impact in the Champoinship. We need rid of Bentdner, Monreal, Arteta, Vermaelen, Rosicky & Jenks as they do not have the quality required. Therefore, to have a similar sized squad next year & to add the quality required we're should be looking at 6/7 players, some of them squad players.

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Next year...

We're talking about this current year where we still have Sagna, Vermaelen and Merts. Unless you are talking parallell spending with Oil barons earlier THIS season, having two squads etc.

I fail to see why you are berating the manager in your earlier post for a summer yet to come?

Like I said. We are missing a world class striker, THIS season. And Theo and Ramsey.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

As soon as I saw him stepping up I called it he'd miss, from the sounds of it so did many others. Body language was completely wrong. That Marseille penalty alone was enough reason to ensure he should never take one for us again. Why do players try that stupid run up? I've never seen anyone have success like that.

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Yeah me too. It was pretty much a carbon copy of the Marseille miss.

The thing that disappointed me more than anything was I felt his head dropped after that penalty miss.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Next year...

We're talking about this current year where we still have Sagna, Vermaelen and Merts. Unless you are talking parallell spending with Oil barons earlier THIS season, having two squads etc.

I fail to see why you are berating the manager in your earlier post for a summer yet to come?

Like I said. We are missing a world class striker, THIS season. And Theo and Ramsey.

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Doesn't matter what year, we are nowhere near being 1 player away + Walcott & Ramsey. We have defensive issues when we come up agianst the better teams, we dont have quality left back or left mid & no striker - THIS IS NOW, NOT NEXT YEAR.
As you agree that we are missing a world class striker who should we be berating after 2 full transfer windows & £140 million in the bank?

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Monreal is crap isn't he :lol: He's just constantly caught out of position.

Was one way traffic in the second half but tbf we were playing against the best or second best team on the planet so of course they're going to dominate against 10 men.

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Yeah he was awful yesterday, got torn apart by Robben. He really needs to work on his positioning because it's a major flaw in his game.

He doesn't have the pace to compensate for his poor positioning so really gets exposed in the big games/against decent opposition.

Robben was brilliant yesterday, a handful for anyone, but Monreal struggled as well.

Ozil screwed the game up, not the ref. Put that penalty away and it's a completely different game. By the time their penalty arrived the game was finding its rhythm with us penned back into our half. Not a sending off but we blew our chance before that, they are few and far between against teams this good.

Ozil should've come off but Wenger hasn't got the gumption to take off a 42m player in the first half. He said after that he could see the penalty affected him ten minutes later and even with that feeling he still neglected to take him off. Ozil can cover all the ground in the world but that's not what Wenger left him on the pitch for. He was hoping his star man would be able to pull something out of the bag but Cazorla was more likely to do that. We just have to hope we're not too leggy for Sunderland and don't get a savaging in Munich.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg6tB8rCEAAAQ1s.jpg

Anyone who follows him on facebook, knows he's a genuinely a nice guy, that really care for this team and his fans.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

We have defensive issues when we come up agianst the better teams

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No we don't. We've had 2 freak games where we've got a pasting, the rest of the games - including games against the better teams - we've been solid.

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As you agree that we are missing a world class striker who should we be berating after 2 full transfer windows & £140 million in the bank?

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We're a point off the top of the table, got through a tricky CL group and we're in the FA Cup quarter finals. Not sure we should be 'berating' anyone right now.

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Originally Posted by Kano

Ozil screwed the game up, not the ref. Put that penalty away and it's a completely different game.

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Little bit both tbh

If we only win the fa cup this season, and finish in the top 3 I'd be extremely happy !

Get past Everton, which is a home tie, and we're at Wembley, and one away from the final.

We'll probably meet City in the final though. Rather get them in the semi-final for that reason.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Robben was brilliant yesterday, a handful for anyone, but Monreal struggled as well.

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Yeah I agree, Robben is still a top class player.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yeah I agree, Robben is still a top class wanker.

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Originally Posted by Letters

No we don't. We've had 2 freak games where we've got a pasting, the rest of the games - including games against the better teams - we've been solid.

How many more freak games do you need, if Suarez & Sturridge had finshed as per usual last Sunday we would have conceeded another 5 or 6. How many times have City or Chelsea conceeded 5 or 6 this year. Against fast attacking teams we are there for the taking, Merts cannot run, poor defensive full backs, too much pressure on Kos.

We're a point off the top of the table, got through a tricky CL group and we're in the FA Cup quarter finals. Not sure we should be 'berating' anyone right now.

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Where would be with a few more quality players that we have had both the time & the money to find - the fact that we have too many similar players in midfield & not one decent striker will show over the season, lets see where we are at the end of March. I would suggest we will be 5th.
We threw away the lead in that group with disaster tactics in Napoli exactly as we have done in previous years to be then matched against a team we need not have played at this part of the season - Wenger knew our league games at this time & in March, surely winning our group to get a weaker team would have helped with squad rotation.
We are in the qtr finals thanks to Daniel Sturridge not finshing us off inside 10 mins. This would have been for the 2nd time in a week which should worry the life out of us as to our defensive qualities against pace & whatever they were working on that week in training. You can't fight pace with Merts, he's fine to have against the Adebayor's. Crouch's & Lambert's of the league but not against Aguero/Negrada or Suarez/Sturridge.

Every time we get blasted by a superior team it gets conveniently labelled a freak result. How many of the top teams in Europe get as many freak results per season as us. So beating Liverpool where all of our fans had soiled underpants from the 75th min till FT now showed that we are up there.
We don't strategise. Every former player has said it Wenger just sends his boys out to play their game, irrespective of the opposition. If it was Wenger yesterday, would he have taken Dante off at HT knowing the risks, Nah, sure as clockwork, there would be no changes until the 65th or 70th min.
In every game there will be an excuse to blame the refs, the lino, Eileen drury, the planets alignments, etc. We salve our bruised spirits with these excuses but in reality. You are either good enough or lucky enough to win these great prizes. Wenger is neither.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Doesn't matter what year, we are nowhere near being 1 player away + Walcott & Ramsey. We have defensive issues when we come up agianst the better teams, we dont have quality left back or left mid & no striker - THIS IS NOW, NOT NEXT YEAR.
As you agree that we are missing a world class striker who should we be berating after 2 full transfer windows & £140 million in the bank?

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Sagna, Kos and Merts were outstanding last night. It would have been a solid unit had Gibbs not given way to the sub-standard Monreal, the latter being clueless at this level. Both keepers are great too. Nothing wrong with our defence that a decent offer to Sagna and some cash on the table for an injury free quality left back won't solve.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Robben was brilliant yesterday, a handful for anyone, but Monreal struggled as well.

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Back to your WUM ways. Robben is a technically gifted player but a despicable cheat. He's in the same bracket as Rooney and Suarez in terms of his overwhelming flaws. To praise his performance is like praising a rapist for bringing flowers. Hopefully something bad happens to him, preferably when we next meet him on the pitch and that matter concerning Sagna can be properly addressed.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Sagna, Kos and Merts were outstanding last night. It would have been a solid unit had Gibbs not given way to the sub-standard Monreal, the latter being clueless at this level. Both keepers are great too. Nothing wrong with our defence that a decent offer to Sagna and some cash on the table for an injury free quality left back won't solve.

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Wasn't posting about last night NQ, it was general. We have been hammered twice by the better teams & got away with another one last week. We are not good defensively against quick attacking sides. Bayern are not this, they played with Mandukic uptop who is not fast but rely on good wide players & attacking midfielders. Basically they are a better version of us when we play with Giroud. The reality is that Merts can run, our full backs are poor defensively & therefore too much pressure on Kos. We get away with this against the poorer teams because most of them are defending, not attacking us at pace.

Erm, wait a minute. We DIDN'T get blasted by a superior team. We were the superior team in the first 35 minutes of that match. Having to play more than a half down to 10 is not exactly a standard arrangement. It should have been Bayern down to 10 of course, not us. But the ref wasn't competent or professional enough to apply the rules.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Back to your WUM ways. Robben is a technically gifted player but a despicable cheat. He's in the same bracket as Rooney and Suarez in terms of his overwhelming flaws. To praise his performance is like praising a rapist for bringing flowers. Hopefully something bad happens to him, preferably when we next meet him on the pitch and that matter concerning Sagna can be properly addressed.

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Robben, Suarez, Rooney or Sanogo, Bendnter, Giroud - Give me despicable cheats with overwhelming flaws any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Every time we get blasted by a superior team it gets conveniently labelled a freak result. How many of the top teams in Europe get as many freak results per season as us. So beating Liverpool where all of our fans had soiled underpants from the 75th min till FT now showed that we are up there.
We don't strategise. Every former player has said it Wenger just sends his boys out to play their game, irrespective of the opposition. If it was Wenger yesterday, would he have taken Dante off at HT knowing the risks, Nah, sure as clockwork, there would be no changes until the 65th or 70th min.
In every game there will be an excuse to blame the refs, the lino, Eileen drury, the planets alignments, etc. We salve our bruised spirits with these excuses but in reality. You are either good enough or lucky enough to win these great prizes. Wenger is neither.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Robben, Suarez, Rooney or Sanogo, Bendnter, Giroud - Give me despicable cheats with overwhelming flaws any day of the week.

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Well there you are. For an Arsenal fan to favour Rooney over Giroud so you can see that shiny silver despite that dive on match 50 - that say a a lot.
Bendtner and Robben I'll give you - both mercenaries, neither desirable.
And remember the despicable Pires, who dived once and we never heard the last of it? Or the renowned cheat Henry, who handballed it? Yet for the shiny silver we'll applaud the likes of Suarez who cheats in EVERY match.

All for the shiny silver.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

To praise his performance is like praising a rapist for bringing flowers.

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:haha:

Brilliant