Maureen summed it up last week about Wenger. Good at losing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
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Maureen summed it up last week about Wenger. Good at losing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
And Maureen was completely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ar...ainer_280.html
Quinny, you are one of the very few on here that thinks Wenger should stay. Wenger has run out of ideas and also luck. Don't forget, he inherited the best defence the club has ever had! That is why he has been successful. Look at the shit he has bought over the years to try and replace it (Cygan, Stepanovs, Senderos etc). All abysmal players! Time to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Campbell, Sagna, Koscielny, all utter shit. You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
and don't forget without Arsene, adams, dixon etc would have retired long before they actually did. he extended their careers.
all managers make dud signings, using some poor defensive examples as proof as to why wenger should go despite ignoring all the good signings he made is just stupid
If what Oliie said about Henry is true, I believe we can take Liverpool to court and the club owe it to the fans to do so.
Anyway I don't we will and I'm 100% sure if this had happened to serious clubs like Man U, Man City, the Chavs and even Liverpool themselves- the other club would have their asses sued off.
I know a lot of people are still stuck in la la land and believe that competing is all about your 11 on the field- but it hasn't been and never was even when we were winning in the 30s (people should fcking delve into history and stop thinking themselves to be saint). This era of slackers is totally disheartning and I just wonder what we did to deserve such gutless people from top to bottom. I'm just effing sick of this BS..... prolly need to punch a granny!
Not just bad defensive signings. Bendtner, Denilson, Chamach, Sanago, again, I could go on. At the end of the day, I have a huge passion for our club, and in mx opinion, Wenger is not the man to lead us into the next phase. I am concerned that if eets a 70m war chest, he`will waste it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Regarding the Henry cooments, it still doesn't explain`why Gordon Taylgr came out and said literally the opposKte; that it wasn't a "cast iron buyout clause" but rathdr a threshold when negotiation could take place.
And does Wengar really seem the type to put in a £40m+1 bid based on newspaper articles, for a supposedly secret clause on a whim?
I get uhe feeling it's not as cut and dried as the twitter quotes make it seem, or Henry has massively over-simplified(the situation.
henry< wiltord, pires, nasri, ozil, cazorla, 'ilberto, viera, ljunberg. the list goes on of god signings a lnt longer then tje bad signing list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
BTW the revelations in this Suarez matter does not excuse almost a decade of hurt and failure- neither does it excuse what happened in the summev and especially this January when even a blind man could see what we needed to do.
We have got to bite the bullet and get rid of all dinosaurs in our club, and the biggest one has always been AW. The longer we wait, the more it uill hurt, its the simple truth.
ZQUOTE=Ollie the Optimist;376144]henry, wiltord, pires, nasri, ozil, cazkrla, gilberto, viera, ljunberg. the list goes on of good signings a lot longer then the bad signing list.[/QUOTE]
2006, 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14. The years of failure are a lot longer than the good ones
Its`on the Euardians website right now... I really wanna hurt someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss
It's very dishonest of them
[QUOTE=Coutinho Is Boss;376142]Regarding the Henry comments, it still doesn't expmain why Gordon Taylor came out `nd said literally the opposite; that it wasn't a "cast iron buyout clause" but rather a threshond when negotiation could take place.
And does Wenger really seem the t{pe to put in a £40m+1 cid based on newspaper articles, for a sUpposedly secret clause on a whim?
I get the feeling it's not as cut ind dried as the twitter quotes make it peem, or`Henry has massi
[QUOTE=Steve French;376154]Fifty quid says you're right.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk[/QUMTE]
Hold on, that means I have to bet against myself when I know I'll be wrong as a result.
Might as well give you the fifty now, what's the address?
You beat me to it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Also, I do not remember such heavy dafeats as 8-2, 6-3, 5-1 etc! Irrelevant to our discussion I know, but we seem to have lost our way in the last few years.
I suppose on the contract thing, it was for Suarez's legal team to enforce it, not ours. And he's not likely to now everything's all sweetness and light with Liverpool. Still, it'll be interesting to see how he reacts over the summer when Real Madrid come calling...
You have based the stats on just this season, you haven't provided a sample of there career stats....here you go...links included. If you think Giroud is a more rounded player than Higuain that's up to you. It isn't even just about stats, Higuain is an established international/cl level striker who has been banging them in for fun for years for both Real & Argentina, Giroud only really came onto the scene in the 11/12 season prior to his move to us and he's not even established at international level either.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/67310/...C3%ADn?cc=5739
Summary of Higuain's Career Stats inc Internationals
This Season 36 games 23 goals Napoli/Argentina
12/13 43 games 28 goals Real Madrid/Argentina
11/12 38 games 32 goals Real Madrid/Argentina
10/11 30 games 19 goals Real Madrid/Argentina
09/10 37 games 30 goals Real Madrid/Argentina
08/09 37 games 23 goals Real Madrid/Argentina
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/88965/...iroud?cc=57390
Summary of Giroud's Career Stats inc Internationals
This Season 38 games 17 goals Arsenal/France
12/13 39 games 20 goals Arsenal/France
11/12 40 games 24 goals Montepellier/France
10/11 34 games 12 goals Montepellier
09/10 38 games 23 goals Tours (Ligue 2)
08/09 22 games 13 goals Tours (Ligue 2)
Well there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm long past the point of caring with this "saga" now though. I take it we won't be buying Oxlade off you though...
The biggest aqnd latest nail in the coffin is with 70m in the bank and pushing for trophys is Kalstrom, a 31 year old who is out for 3 months.Now ollie,niall and jonas come and put your Wenger spin on that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
You mean we can swap him for Park?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Lazy journalism...shooting fish in a barrelQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhzuhgmIAAA0uKA.jpg
The date. :lol:
Specialist in failure tbf.
How is he able to rest easy when Jose is mocking him like that? A decade without a trophy should really sting his ego. If he decides to walk away from Arsenal after this contract this will haunt him. He’d have to go to an oil rich club to put any doubts about his managerial skills to rest. This isn’t the way to end things. I would have thought this season he’d have gone all out to win the league.
We are winning the financial fair play league by a mile. That counts! :trophy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Yeah he's said that several times over the years, but has never stood by it. Why say it in the 1st place if you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Truly the man is beyond caring. He only cares about keeping his job and doing the barest minimum to do it. Everything that comes out of his mouth nowadays is a big scam. He will be telling us now how he will fight to the last to win the Pl and CL. Even he knows that there's not a snowflakes chance in hell of either happening. FA cup. We`ll probably lose in the semis against one of the Sheffield teams
I want the dude gone, but gosh some of the negativity and vengeance being meted out to wenget on here is something truly to behold!
We probably owe our future survival as a modern day football club to this man's vision. He was our Cryuff, and gave us some of our most glorious moments and the privilege to have some of the world's best players in our former great teams.
I just think time and the times have finally caught up with him especially on his pitch performance. So I hope he goes with dignity, and we are lucky enough to get an able replacement.........., doesn't bear thinking about. I think he's seriously thinking about walking away, got a funny feeling he will.
Jeez, let's hope we don't lose to Everton or people will want him dead. I'll tell you who has collapsed - half the fans.
Really worried for Wenger over the coming run we have. Any big defeats and he's mince meat, I can hear the knives being sharpened as we speak :threaten: ...fans and hacks alikeQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The decision not to spend in January was utterly utterly ridiculous and it took him back to the Nutty Professor days.
But this season has been such an improvement. Don't know what to think anymore.
Unfortunately everything good he did for us footballistically, was in the past... and I am not talking recent past. More like a decade..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
My goodwill for what he did Before Christ ran out in 2009 tbh... more and more people are coming to their senses that he is not the right man to lead us forward.
he needs to double his security
to be fair the only way to get an accurate report on what wenger says is the videos of the interviews, all media tends to twist his words....don't get me wrong they do this with every manager, they read between the lines to promote something essentially mundane as a subject of interest.
A lot of what we assume about Wenger's decision making is purely that assumption, we assumed before today that Arsenal and Wenger made clowns of themselves over their approach for Luis Suarez. When in fact what transpired is that the club met the minimum release fee clause and were no way disrespectful to Liverpool football club and it turns out that they were disrespectful to us.
I think a lot of back seat drivers tend to think they know better than him about who he should sign and you look in retrospect about a lot of the players the media recommends to Wenger and the player's career is in the toilet.
A lot of my criticism of Wenger comes from being hot headed, i was so frustrated and exasperated with what had happened at Stoke.....because i believed the difference between getting something and defeat was starting with Arteta instead of Flamini and not playing Ox from the beginning. But i think from a period of reflection, in the cold light of day i don't think he's as stupid or oblivious as people seem to think he is.....the media and to extent we like to fill in the blanks with this man because he's not an open individual.
Nine years without a trophy is too long,and a lot of the responsibility for this falls on Wenger's shoulders, and i think the main reason we are frustrated with the man is because few or no other managers would have consistently kept us in the top four in the way he has done and if he is capable of that, why seemingly is he incapable of even some small silverware.
I honestly believe even if we'd won the odd fa cup or league cup between 2005 and today i don't think there would be as much unrest as there is amongst the fans.
Definitely not.
Only situation in which I would support the move is if only we had someone better than him lined up already to replace him.
What exactly do you mean, when you say better than him? Is it based on tactics? Is it better football? Is it a knack of being a champion in the transfer market? Is it about being a manager who can fire up his squad for big games? If those are some of the criteria in saying 'better than him', then there are quite a few who are better than him.
I feel that quite a few are scared of change, just because they are scared of change. At this point, I'd take a promising young manager over Wenger any day! We are stagnant year after year... every season has the exact same script- either we are close to the leaders and fold around March/April OR we are fighting to seal 4th place. Either way, what we are getting is 4th place. What is happening now has been predicted by the 'realists' back in October/November!!
Example of conversation by people who want Wenger to stay or are scared for him to leave, at different points of the season:
"I didnt know the transfer window ended in July. Give him till the end of the window before we judge him" (At a time when our transfers should be almost wrapped up and we are still in waiting period)
"We are 2 points behind Chelsea (insert any other team name) and we do not have billions to spend" (when we lose to a big team... again!)
"We are still in the CL 2nd round, in the FA cup and are just 3 points behind the leaders.. if you'd have given this to me at the start of the season, I'd have bitten your hand off" (Most likely after a pummeling in the 2nd round of CL, followed by a draw in a must win game or by a massacre by another team i.e. 8-2, 6-3, 5-1)
"Give him till the end of the season before we judge him" (We are out of the PL race and CL but still in with a shout with the FA Cup)
"Next season, our players will have gained one more year experience. Ozil will become a monster and coupled by the striker, defender that we are going to sign, we will be up there with the best. Lets see how AW does in the transfer window. (After another 4th place trophy finish)
Go back to the beginning and start this shit charade again... thats the life of a gooner!
Can't believe so many people still want him here having witnessed what we have in the last 9 years, losing pretty much every big game that really mattered. How people still believe in this man after so long I'll never know, seems he can go on forever settling for 4th place without ever losing their support.
You'll never know if they are better until you give them a chance, Wenger was a nobody when he arrived after all. If he stays on all we have to look forward to is our annual battle for 4th place, I don't see the enjoyment myself, but each to their own I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico