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I thought he appealled against the punishment and suppose while that is being heard he can't take the punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
I don't see the point of criticising the ref though. We were already down 2-0. The ox obviously thought it was going in and so did the ref and it was a penalty and that would have been 3-0. So we actually did better with ten than eleven as they took 75 mins to score the next three instead of just 15 minutes for the first three.
Copy and paste from the liverpool game. Rodgers and Mourinhop obvioisly did their homework and worked on our weaknesses and thats what real managers do. rob the ball of Arteta or cazorla, play in in the same behind the out of position FB and score. Im no coach or tactician but it was obvious to me where Chelsea would attack us and who they targeted and it worked to perfection.
What a fucking disgrace these players are, they have no bottle, no heart no leader no fucking shame.
Wenger needs to go, its clear as day the man has taken this club as far as he can. and please spare us the bullshit about him being "the most succesfull manager in the club;s history" because thats a given if you he's been here for 18 fucking years! if he left in 2004 with his record then, people would have had a point about him being the best but right now he's a fucking failure and needs to pack his bags.
fuck off.
I actually see things differently re the players on the pitch.
At the end of the day they follow and do what the manger tells them to do. Yes there are always moments of individual brilliance which deviate from the plan but ultimately they don't step out of line too often.
When wenger tells them how he wants them to play and what he wants them to do, that is exactly what the team do. There isn't anyone in the team who will go against the orders of their boss over 90 mins.
Yes sometimes they don't put the effort in or look like they are trying and that is down to the players themselves, but when they are failing tactically and it looks like they can't be arsed - well that is down to the manager.
It's no good one player shouting at the team and telling them to do other things if they are all worried about not playing the way the manager has told them to.
I think the mentality is more like that of an army squad and their commander. It's the same for every team, the players do what they are told pretty much until the final whistle whether they think it's wrong or not.
just woke up and no ....it wasn't a nightmare i was having, shit is real. blanked all other football news, only to find shitty and pool fired 5's & 6's. fuckin' gets better!
oh well on to arsenalfantv for a pick me up, got a whole sunday and monday to go before recovery mode
If an English club wins the CL and we come 4th do we miss out?
Managers tactics do not tell, you if it is fine to hold your position when your colleague has just been robbed of the ball. Unless indeed we do have a hopeless case of a manager. Time and time again the same crap happens, the ball is lost often in midfield or due to crap play from Giroud. and the immediate reaction is panic stations. Its as if in training it has never been simulated, what to do in these situations. This has been our lot since a long time but more obviously when Vieira and then Gilberto left. the midfield that lost the ball will hold station and pass the predicament over to an overmatched defence. This is a symptom since 2007 and has not been addressed. I see the problem as more symptomatic of the manager. if several squads of varying players exhibit the same deficiencies.over many years....then it obviously isnt the players
Yep, it's just not acceptable on any level.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Title challengers don't get mauled by their rivals. Simple.
Tell that to Utd who got mauled on OT :d
Don't give a fuck about United.
It was a comment to your "title challengers dont get mauled"... But i guess it only counts for Arsenal, so we can say "Wenger Out".
Different team, different circumstance. Pedantic.
Only if it is United that win the Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Ok that's good news I guess, as I'd say it's unlikely they will!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
We've stopped pressing to win the ball back and the deep defensive line and organised structure we saw at the start of the season is slowly fading. The pressing certainly has and I think Wenger may have somehow linked the intense pressing to our fatigue and injury problem. It's just a hunch but I have a feeling he's linked the two and feels to it burns too much energy so he's changed tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Same thoughts here. We joke about the computer making subs and telling us how far each player can run before they give up, but I do sense some horrible sort of sports psychology and statistical regime at work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Conceding 17 goals against our title rivals doesnt bode well. If a miracle did happen and we won this title, we will go down for being one of the weakest sides to have won the eague, and will always be remebered for our 3 thrashings against our main rivals. Just a thought but I wouldnt want to win the league after those 3 maulings. Best to stay 4th for this season as Liverpol, Chesea and Man City deserve this championship with thier attcking style and free scoring total football, something we serioulsy lack.
I still think we lack real leadership in this team, it's all very good being great when we're playing well, but the leaders are needed when things are going wrong, they're needed to steady the ship and organiser, we've got noone basically, when we go a couple goals down we capitulate.
If we had an Adams type player or two I'm pretty sure this wouldn't happen.
This is reminiscent of 2000-01. We finished second, but lost at the homes of the other teams in the top 4. Not only that, we we embarrassed at two of them (lost 6-1 at Old Trafford and 4-0 at Anfield but fortunately only 1-0 at Elland Road!)
We had leaders in that team. Any of the back 5 could've made captain, as well as Vieira (à captain in the making). Hence, i really don't think it's a question of having leaders on the pitch. Yes, it would be nice to have à player who understands how their role would evolve in a game (Wilshere used to do that before his injury). It would be nice, for example, for Cazorla to head the ball once in a while, in spite of what the manager's told him.
It really is down to the manager. As far as the abhorrent Chelsea go, he ought to have focussed on their strengths and weaknesses and how to exploit said weaknesses. Instead, there appears to be an arrogant "do what you do best" style team-talk given ahead of every game. It would have worked with the Invincibles. Not with this lot. Not by a long shot.
Can anyone tell me what the fuck does the manager see in Arteta? the guy is our weak link and all the top teams target him when we have the ball. Slow, letharig, no confidence, no energy, no strength nothing. He is one of the worst players in this team and doesnt protect the back 4 or break up oppo's play.
Unbelievable that he is vice captain.
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Originally Posted by Ernesto
Agree with your last paragraph mate.
Chelsea did their homework and exploited our weakness to the max, we on the other hand had (as usual) no plan, no tactics, nothing. The players just passs it to whoever is free. The most frsutrating thing was that we didnt seem to learn from the Liverpool game at all and made the same mistakes as we did as Anfield. Do these players and manager not look at videos of past games and see where they went wrong? Chelsea yesterday were set up to stop us in the middile of the park and hit us on the counter where the Fbs leave space and that was exactly what Liverpool did.
Wenger is to blame for me, he doesnt do his bit to motivate or plan for the big games and thats why we're so shit in them.
Wenger likes him and thats all that matters. He probably thinks he owes him seeing as he was a starter at Everton before he came here, so he must play. We have seen it before, with other shit players. Wenger will keep playing them until the fans start getting on the players back, only then will he get rid. Oh and he will then blame the fans for killing the said players confidence. Arteta was never a DM. It is a disgrace for anyone with clear eyesight and a sound mind, to play him there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
He anything but our weak link. He's the fittest player in the team, the best passer and the most consistent player we have. This bullshit going around about him being bullied out of it by the chavs is complete crap. He was overrun, different thing. Overrun because he was having a bad game and his mates were having a mare too. He's not spectacular and he can be frustrating, mostly because his team mates have stopped giving him options. With a player like this the 50 unglamorous passes and the resulting ball retention goes unnoticed, but when he makes an error it sticks out, often because an error in that part of the field is dangerous. Look at players who don't get such a hard time though, Cazorla, Rosicky, Podolski - they kill us when they don't have a good game. Arteta will still put in a shift and still keep most of his shit together even when we are being murdered.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
The criticism of this guy has been incredibly unfair.
Eyesight needs checking, methinksQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Eyesight fine, knees fine. Good to go.
He's a far better option than Flamini.
But Flamini shouts and waves his arms around, Arteta doesn't do that. Arteta is crap at shouting and waving his arms around.
@MiguelDelaney (ESPN Journalist)
No Arsenal press conference tomorrow now, either.
https://twitter.com/MiguelDelaney/st...43416806682625
:shrug:
Hiding makes it worse.
I dont think even Arsene would sign NQQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Perhaps he has some urgent things to attend to. I hope so anyway. Talking to the media is the ultimate waste of time and I;d hate to see him sating his time after a hiding like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
it is fairly significant, he did conferences for the 8-2/6-3/5-1 .Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-GNilTWBDM
Same shit :lol:
I don't think he'd sign me either. Which proves Arteta is shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Getting repeatedly smacked about the face by a known egoist like Mourinho is never pleasant, even for a man who routinely takes failure on the chinQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Exactly. Same shit. Does he need to turn up before the headlines can be written? It's a simple process, suck Maureen's cock and ask Wenger if he will resign. Not much being said about how small Maureen was yesterday though. A bitter little prick even in victory. Was a funny moment on Sunday Supplement this morning where one of the journos revealed the silly little twat called an off the record conference to ask them all why they favoured Wenger. How tiny can you get? How insecure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Absolutely mediocre. Passes the ball 5 yards but because he has this professional, obedient look about him, people seem to love him. Almost on par with Denilson in terms of being useless.
The first thing we should do this summer is replace this snail.
Your problem is you pick your favourites and defend them regardless. If you would rationalise you would see most people berate Arteta because he is not physically capable of playing DM. He has always been an AM. Wenger knows this but cant put him ahead of his other AM options because frankly he is far worse than them. A rational man would pick his games to play Arteta at AM, just as we play Rosicky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Arsenes problem is picking him repeatedly for a role he is clearly unfit for.
Besides were you not on Walcotts case for more than 2 seasons, whether he played good or bad. Your major grouse was that he was picking 100kpw
No, I was not on Walcott's case whether he played good or bad. When he played well I said so. When he was dire or went missing I said so. Also said Arteta played badly yesterday, because he did. But this silly business about him being a shit player, I'm not into that. He's not one of my favourites that I defend good or bad, I don't have any favourites I'll defend good or bad. Just hate seeing fans going to extremes regarding certain players and accusing them of stuff that just isn't happening. Agree with you when you say Arteta is not a natural DM. Already said in another thread, proper DM needed in the summer, no more fucking around with that. But Arteta has done a professional job there in the absence of a dedicated player, he's not shit by any stretch. He's done better than anyone else we've asked to fill the role. Of all the players to be singled out Arteta is one of the least suitable candidates.
Chuba Akpom has been recalled from his loan and will stay at Arsenal as the third choice striker.
Giroud :wave:
Bendtner :wave:
Akpom upfront . :bow:
Most striking thing about yesterday's game was how it seemed to replicate the dippers game.
Same press our midfielders and as soon as they cheaply cede possession, rush at us down that left flank whilst our LFB is nowhere to be seen on the pitch.
Wtf must our full back be so far ahead of the ball so early in our attack? We had barely crossed the halfway mark, so why must he be so badly out of position?