Match Reaction vs Dortmund

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Wenger won't go unless we miss out on 4th place. Chelsea and city will finish above us due to the salaries they spend and squad size.

United is interesting as without Europe they can focus on the league. Still light defensively but against most teams there attack should be enough.

I think it's us v Liverpool for 4th. Still fancy us to do it as losing Suarez will cost them in games like villa.

January isn't a window Wenger likes to use so we are stuck with what we have.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

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Can't say I've ever seen a team as disjointed as this one.

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Well that's one way to undermine the post you've just quoted.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Here is what is going to happen... *favorite or bookmark this post*

We will eventually go on an unbeaten run of 8-9 games and may be put in a game or two where we play good football. The 2 or 3 Wenger flag bearers will be on the highest WUM level at this time and point out how Wenger has made clear progress. The realists on here will point to the hard stretch of games where we will get tonked without a defense. These claims will be ridiculed by the WUM's. In the midst of all this, we will have the winter transfer window where we will re-sign Bischoff or find the first crock that calls Wenger.
Fast forward to March/April and we will be out of the PL and CL. In May, we will scrape 4th place trophy... Wenger flag bearers will say that they will give up on him if he doesnt change things in the summer.

Repeat above cycle.

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That isn't what happened last year. :shrug:
We got 79 points - the most we'd got for years. We didn't 'scrape' the 4th place trophy, it was very comfortable. And we won the FA Cup.
If that isn't progress then I don't know what is :shrug:
I don't know where it's going so badly wrong right now because we seemed to be making some good signings but the City game aside we've been awful so far.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Nah, we've has Ches is shit, Ozil is shit, Arteta is shit, Welbeck is shit, done the Jack is shit, Kos and Merts are shit, everyone and everything is shit. Which in itself is shit. Nothing wrong with our players, it's the manager. Poor tactics, poor appreciation of the opposition, refusal to reinforce key areas of the squad, refusal to stick players in the best positions, determination to play this slow paced, tippy tappy congested flicky stuff that requires a miracle to pull off, crappy subs. But the shit, shit, shit, everything is shit shit some are coming out with is shit.

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It doesn't matter which player is good or shit anymore.

It is all about our Manager.

So Wilshere is limping around injured and Wenger doesn't think to sub him?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

So Wilshere is limping around injured and Wenger doesn't think to sub him?

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We used up all our subs by that point.

Santi and Ox on for Ramsey and Ozil.

Podolski on for Arteta.

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Dortmund’s players had run, collectively, 11km more than ours.

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That's a disgrace and embarrassing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxrqLpyIYAAdKMg.png

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

We used up all our subs by that point.

Santi and Ox on for Ramsey and Ozil.

Podolski on for Arteta.

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Ah, that explains it. I thought he lost the plot.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxrqLpyIYAAdKMg.png

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Match ratings;
Ches - 5
Gibbs - 5
Kos - 4
Per - 4
Bellerin - 5
Arteta - 3
Jack - 5
Ramsey - 4
Alexis - 5
Ozil - 4
Wellbeck - 5

Wenger - 0

That's about as bad as it gets. Can't remember a poorer performance in Europe. Podolski not being able to find his shin pad summed up how amateurish we were. Should have been an absolute pasting. Changes needed for this Sat, bring in Caz, Ox and Rosicky.

Team for Villa:

Ches

Gibbs
Kosc
BFG
Chambers (One injury away from no backup CB :lol: )

Flamini
Ramsey/Rosicky

Ox
Ozil/Santi
Sanchez

Welbeck

It was an awful night. I thought young Hector would be in for a torrid time on his debut but he was one of the better performers.

Another positive, I thought Santi and Ox looked good coming on. We had better spells of possession once Ramsey and Ozil were off. 25/37 passes completed for Ramsey. 68% completion rate. Poor. Ozil had 87% in comparison but only made 20/23 passes. Sanchez wasn’t much better. 69% pass completion. 24/35 passes. Compare that to Wilshere, 49/62 – 79% completion. It puts the rest of them to shame.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It was an awful night. I thought young Hector would be in for a torrid time on his debut but he was one of the better performers.

Another positive, I thought Santi and Ox looked good coming on. We had better spells of possession once Ramsey and Ozil were off. 25/37 passes completed for Ramsey. 68% completion rate. Poor. Ozil had 87% in comparison but only made 20/23 passes. Sanchez wasn’t much better. 69% pass completion. 24/35 passes. Compare that to Wilshere, 49/62 – 79% completion. It puts the rest of them to shame.

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Fuck pass rate, how many shots at goal?

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Originally Posted by Gooner23

Match ratings;
Ches - 5
Gibbs - 5
Kos - 4
Per - 4
Bellerin - 5
Arteta - 3
Jack - 5
Ramsey - 4
Alexis - 5
Ozil - 4
Wellbeck - 5

Wenger - 0

That's about as bad as it gets. Can't remember a poorer performance in Europe. Podolski not being able to find his shin pad summed up how amateurish we were. Should have been an absolute pasting. Changes needed for this Sat, bring in Caz, Ox and Rosicky.

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Presume those are minus signs?

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Originally Posted by Injury Time

Presume those are minus signs?

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Wenger gets top marks again then.

Wenger :bow:

We need Klopp

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Originally Posted by Injury Time

Fuck pass rate, how many shots at goal?

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3 attempts from Welbeck. None hit the target.

2 from Sanchez. 1 on target one blocked.

And that's it folks. One shot on target all night. Everyone else had 0 attempts. But what do you expect when we pass that badly and can't get out of our own half?

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Originally Posted by Munchies

What a fuck up to let Cesc go to Chelsea

You telling me he'd be worse than Arteta in this team?

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His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

We need a manager who knows what the team needs and what areas of the squad need strengthening.

We haven't replaced Vieira since he left 9 years ago now

We haven't replaced van Persie since he left 2 years ago

We only have 6 defenders. If Chambers gets injured playing at RB this week, we're fucked for CB cover!

Can't see us beating Villa at the weekend

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Originally Posted by BOBN

His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

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Rather have Cesc in the number 10 than Ozil / Jack

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Originally Posted by BOBN

His first 25 minutes against Swansea was one of the most inept performances ive ever seen.

Difference is Mourinho called him over and made a change (moved him forward to 'number 10').

Cesc is incapable of playing deep midfield in this league, but the moral of this story is Wenger out.

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So are you saying we need Jose instead?

Cesc would walk into our team at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Cesc would walk into our team at the moment.

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And limp out 30 minutes in, probably <_<

1st and 10, Wenger out of the huddle, comes to the line, takes the snap and hands it off to Arteta. Runs for a 2 yard gain. 2nd and 8.

Dortmund showing blitz, Wenger takes the snap. Hands it off to Arteta. No gain, run snuffed out at the line. Brings up 3rd and 8.

Welbeck moves wide, Dortmund CBs deep, Wenger at the line, takes the snap. Hands it off to Arteta who is stopped after a yard gain. 4th and 7 and they'll have to punt.

Kicking unit on, ball is snapped, fake play, hand off to Arteta who runs with it. No gain, they'll turn the ball over.

Defensive team on for Arsenal, all 3 of them.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Rather have Cesc in the number 10 than Ozil / Jack

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Yeah thats a different point.

In the summer I was dead against Fabregas because I wanted to give the likes of Ozil and Wilshere a chance.

Well, theyre shyt so I was wrong.

Oxil is the most costly signing of the premier league era. Cost us 42 million, cost us Cesc, cost all runners the title (to Chels)

Also Mertersackers crapness this season makes a mockery of this "cant find a 4th choice defender" nonsense.

Just find the best defender you can find ffs and stop overthinking it.

LOL at defenders who conceded 6 against anybody decent last season being immune from competition.

"We want you but you have no chance of getting past Mert, Kos, and a kid called Chambers" :lol: I pray that the club didnt embarrass themselves spouting this nonsense to international class centre backs.

Said in the match thread at best I expected a draw, we got soundly beaten but then Dortmund are a decent team and we generally lose against the better teams.

Whilst we signed some good players in the summer, I don't think the business we did was right in terms of what the team needed, we always seem to be short because we never really bring in the right players. We needed an out and out goalscorer to win us games when things weren't working or take chances when they come, we didn't get one, we needed cover at CB after selling Vermaelen, we didn't sign any, we needed a defensivley minded midfielder to protected the defence, we didn't get one. We watch other clubs go out and sign players in the positions that are needed but every transfer window it's the same for us, random signings that dont on the surface of it appear to solve problems areas in the team.

It's clear the manager lacks certain key aspects of management, the only way to get round those it to have leaders on the pitch to do the job for him, I just don't think we have those.

We're stuck with this for another 3 years, things are predictable with Wenger, you know what you're going to get at the end of the season on the whole.

We simply have to get . . rid of the Manager. Doing anything else now is a waste of time and money.

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...the only way to get round those it to have leaders on the pitch to do the job for him, I just don't think we have those.

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Was thinking the same thing while watching last night. But the players play like they are in a trance. I doubt they have any leeway to make calls on the pitch. Under normal circumstances that's probably a good thing as all sorts of disputes and confusion could arise. But when the manager is tactically clueless then as a last resort the captain's job should be to react and fix the problems. Such as leaving Ozil to cover the fullback, anyone can see that's not a good idea. We need somebody to grab Ozil and say, you, get in behind the striker. And then grab Ramsey and push him wide as cover. But whoever that player is might as well finish by sticking two fingers up at Wenger on the touchline, because I get the impression a quick exit would follow. Wenger has already shown he doesn't place any stock in the captain's role, he throws the title around as a bribe. It's a shame Vieira went to the gypos. I think he might have had the character to stand up to Wenger and at least give him a good argument.

People might say this thread is knee jerk.

But actually this anti Wenger knee jerk match reaction thread happens too many times a year now for it to be classed as knee jerk.

If he stepped down after the FA Cup win he would have been remembered for his impressive past glories, and he probably still will whatever happens, but the longer he carries on dishing us plates of shit for dinner like last nights then the more of a sour after-taste I get in my mouth.

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's a shame Vieira went to the gypos. I think he might have had the character to stand up to Wenger and at least give him a good argument.

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That's EXACTLY why he ended up at the gypos, NQ. There is no way would wenger tolerate a competing voice at the top table. It's the same reason why keown wasn't allowed to hang around after 2006, why Bergkamp has never been offered a coaching role, and why cesc is now at Chelsea and not running the show for us.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

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League Cup.

Congratulations to Wenger for destroying another promising career in Bellerin. His confidence must be rock bottom after 1 game and past experience tells us he'll be fucking useless now.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

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Who? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

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When he moves to Porto in January.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Any idea when Joel Campbell will get a run out?

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I think WUMger used the phrase "jog on" rather than "run out" :shrug:

i can't even be bothered to try and attempt to find any positives or try and defend wenger. I can't even be bothered to get angry about it. thats how bad its got, i just can't be bothered to even watch us in big games anymore. we know what will happen.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

3 attempts from Welbeck. None hit the target.

2 from Sanchez. 1 on target one blocked.

And that's it folks. One shot on target all night. Everyone else had 0 attempts. But what do you expect when we pass that badly and can't get out of our own half?

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Just hoof it! ;)