Please no - our only hope is just a new Jeremy Beadle series & the little stumpy handed wanker is not dead after allQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
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Please no - our only hope is just a new Jeremy Beadle series & the little stumpy handed wanker is not dead after allQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
That's standard procedure.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Me. :bow:
Our best passer (and consistently one of the best passers in Europe) has been given an extension at a time when our passing game is struggling? Sounds like a sensible move.
Our best backwards & sideways passer - undoubtedly the best in Europe, probably the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Also would suggest that whilst still making 4300 passes per game regularly we are struggling slightly more with our defending than passing. I think playing Arteta is part of our over passing problem, we need a physically stronger CM that gets the ball forward quicker. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
People are going to criticise Arteta whatever he does or doesn't do. This is just a habit that has taken hold despite the fact the criticism isn't backed by any reasonable evidence. Yes - LIKE ALL OUR PLAYERS - he plays plenty of sideways and square stuff. That's our game, ask Wenger why. But he's our most efficient link between the back four and the forwards and he's demonstrated this time and again, most recently against Anderlecht when our midfield fell apart after he left the pitch. I guess most of the criticism stems from the fact he's not a natural DM, a position Wenger has shoehorned him into. Blame Wenger for that, but it's hugely unfair to get on Arteta's back, a player who works hard for the team on the pitch and is a model professional off it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Nobody would argue we don't need reinforcements in the middle. But why wouldn't we get those reinforcements in whilst still retaining the services of a reliable pro and our captain? Let's say we bring Khedira in (I hope we don't but let's use him an an example), Arteta probably wouldn't start. But he'd be available ahead of Flamini and can anyone seriously say that would be a bad thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I agree that Wenger has ruined his game - he was bought in to replace Cesc & I was quite happy at the time because I admired what he was doing at Everton. But maybe if he'd been a better offensive midfielder for us he wouldn't have been given the DM role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It may be unfair to criticise him for being poor in a unfamiliar role but it is fair on us to have to put up with it. The amount of groans that go up around the Emirates every time he goes backwards must surely get to him & he should be telling Wenger especially as captain that this tippy tappy football in non threatening areas in simply getting us nowhere.
The simple fact of the matter is that for us to compete at top level we need the quality of 2 class DM's. I agree on Khedira maybe not being the one for us but when we know Arteta has his limitations we should't even have him in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
A team with our resources & a promise to fans that we will compete should not have anyone on the bench who is there just because they are better than Flamini.
Arteta, Flamini, Podolski, Rosicky & I even think Cazorla are simply not good enough or consistent enough to do the roles they are given in midfield. Ramsey would be in this list aswell had it not be for him teasing us last year.
Get rid of the dead wood that seems to stay around because Wenger can't admit he can't win with them or that he was wrong to buy them ---- buy players of proper quality in the role required of them, its really quite simple.
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Originally Posted by Dein-machine
NQ loses again.
I don't have too much trouble with it but there's going to be criticism until we plug the glaring holes.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...pass_length#90Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
With Matic for comparison, the midfielder considered to be the most effective in the role at present. And then Fabregas for comparison to an attacking midfielder. Arteta plays more backward passes than both, but only because he plays more total passes than both. In fact he compares favourably with Fabregas in terms of forward passes and he blows both the chavs out of the water in terms of getting his passes to team mates. Again it's facts vs perception, some fans just focus in on the bad and dismiss the good. Then they present their perceptions as facts.
Yawn.
Same stats that made Denilson sound great but look shit.
With Matic we'd improve 10 fold.
As one claim gets knocked down the next springs up. The claim was Arteta passes backwards and sideways all the time. The facts say no, that's not true. Whether we'd be better off with Matic is not what was being discussed. Probably not, as Wenger insists on a system where accuracy in passing is paramount and would likely ask him to do the same job as Arteta. Then everyone would jump on Matic's back for being "shit".
You let yourself down when you defend integral elements of a system while criticising the system as a whole. Our play is crap, you yourself say this. Why this emotional, perpetual defense of Arteta?. He is a player wholly unsuited to the job given to him. We would be miles better as a team if we changed just one thing and that is our DM. Arteta would not pine away and die if he was forced to join another team. We are not supposed to be a retirement home for diminished capacity players. Arteta/Flamini are both a weak link in this team as is the inept manager who plays them out of blind loyalty. From your devotion to individuals I can clearly see that you would be as crap a manager as Wenger keeping players for personal rather than sporting reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We need to break this cycle. Every player needs to be the best we can afford in his position. If that were the case this would be a much happier fan site no doubt. No point excusing Arteta saying, well hes not a DM. Would you excuse a Gynecologist who made a mess of your heart surgery?
NQ, in your own threads this year you have moaned about the constant tippy tappy football getting us nowhere - Arteta is a part of this. He drops back to take the ball of the defence & then plays a 15 yard pass to another CM, they then pass it back to him & he plays another 15 yard pass to the other CM, it goes back to him again but this time he's under pressure so he turns & it goes back to Merts. This means he has just made three 15 yard passes that a monkey could have made & we are basically back to where we were. This is what makes he stats look positive when in fact its stopping us as an attacking team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
As we know, most teams set up very defensively against us especially at the Emirates. There is no reason to have Arteta running back into his own half to take a 10 yard pass from a defender to then make a 15 yard pass to another midfielder. Our defenders can take the ball up to & sometimes beyond the half way line unchallenged & make the forward pass themselves. Arteta is simply slowing this process up, we are overplaying.
I am a great lover of watching football played on the deck & at pace. Watching Barca on TV during recent years has been a pleasure. However they wouldn't have had so much success trying to play that way in the EPL. Most goals these days are coming from more direct football or set pieces. I saw the 1st Spanish goal last night against Luxembourg, right back hit a long ball towards Spanish striker, defender wins header but it drops 30 yards out to the on-running Silva who shoots & scores - thats Spain against Luxembourg, even Spain aren't trying to walk to ball into the net.
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
:gp: Indeed. It's a flawed argument. Complain about the whole tippy tappy approach but defend one of the biggest culprits that epitomises the style whilst using passing stats to defend his performances. Backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...Raphael-VaraneQuote:
Chelsea and Manchester United have been told they will need to pay £19m for out-of-favour Real Madrid defender Raphael Varane, 21, who is looking for a move in January.
If he's available we absolutely have to sign him, he's top class and at 19 million a snip!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...mpbell-4617760Quote:
Inter Milan have opened discussions about taking Arsenal striker Joel Campbell, 22, on loan with a £7m option to make it permanent.
Oh dear, hope this is BS.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...-Mattia-DestroQuote:
Arsenal have opened negotiations with Roma over a January transfer for striker Mattia Destro, 23.
Who?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...target-4617993Quote:
Ron Vlaar, 29, has given Manchester United and Arsenal fresh hope of signing him after his agent confirmed the defender is likely to leave Aston Villa.
No thanks.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...egaard-MontoyaQuote:
Liverpool are preparing a £30m move for Porto striker Jackson Martinez, 28.
Maybe we need to get in on the act.
Does your stats show how many of Arteta's passes were made in the final third as opposed to Fabregas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
[QUOTE=Özim;431862]http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...Raphael-Varane
If he's available we absolutely have to sign him, he's top class and at 19 million a snip!
I suggested a cheeky Varane bid when I knew Mourinho was leaving Madrid. He is superb but I think we'll see him at Chelsea. Has a younger brother though who's supposedly even better, my son played against him last year.
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Originally Posted by Özim
Wenget was probably gutted Campbell turned out to be good, he saw a chance to turn a sneaky profit but now he's under pressure to give him a chance.
Suppose the argument will be he is young but he is also experience so a Big yes please to Varane.....an upgrade on what we are patching together at the moment and we could have the foundations of our future CB pairing if the future as I can see Chambers moving over in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
No doubt we will dither around and lose out to someone like the Chavs who will no doubt buy him to stop anyone else doing so!!!!
Come Wenger 19mil? That is peanuts!
I'd take Destro as well, guys got pace to burn but I won't want him till we've sorted defence and DCM out first
Varane is pretty good.
Yeah he is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
If he really is available for 19million we should be all over this irrespective of whether Chelsea and United go for him. He would walk into our team and could offer us 10 years minimum at the highest level.
Been linked again with Gregor Krychowiak, a guy that joined Seville for €4.5million three months ago and being linked with us for 20-25million. Not seen inflation in value like that since Lassana Diarra.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...hletic-on-loan
Why the heck have we done that? Completely missed this. Why have we loaned Coquelin out?
Because Arsene doesn't trust him. He doesn't trust Bellerin either. And then he loans out Jenkinson. And lost Sagna. And sold Vermaelen. All when he knew Koscielny had Achilles problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Lets face it. Aside from book keeping, we have no strategy.
Well you could hardly expect him to clear out the entire defence in a single season. Somebody would have noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Total madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Time for Jenkinson to come home.....
Nah, he has happy banter with Song now :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
7mil for Cech anyone?.......good mentor for Ches who does seem at times to need a guiding hand
Not for me. No point swapping misery on the bench at Chelsea for misery on the bench a t the Emirates. We have Ospina, no point throwing money away with another keeper who wont play. Chech is better than Scez right now. but is only going to get worse. given fair opportunities Ospina will prove to be the better keeper
Cheeky bid for Sturridge to keep Diaby company?
Let's bid for Messi?
Cech is one of the best keepers the league has ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Get him and sell Chesney tbh.
He would have only played in the League cup for us anyway, at least he gets some playing time this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
What good is that to us when we have injuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin