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Unfortunately I, and many others, don't feel sorry for him one bit. Why should we? He has constantly lied to us over the years, stolen money (through his salary) and treated fans like shit. He's brought it all on himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wow....that video was fierce. Wenger is good at putting his brave face on though!
Yeah they are real heroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Bravery, passion, alcohol, and a touch of tourettes.
An inspiration to us all.
That video might be a bit OTT but it echoes the fans frustration and the man needs to act fast. He does what he likes, he lies, he moves the goal posts to suit his agenda and pockets 7million in the process.
IMO he has brought this onto himself and although i wouldnt go that far, those guys in the video have every right to boo him.
My only real objection is the language used and that is more of a personal thing. I similarly don't like fans swearing in the stands with kids and women around but that's what it is when you go to the football.
The annoyance of some of the negligence shown means I have less room for sympathy. Bemoaning and slagging off the team's defence game after game when you are respsonsible for it being in such dire straits really is the ultimate irony.
It was bad enough placing so much responsibility on young Chambers shoulders but to then go and leave us short in terms of numbers too? Even SWAYR was excited about Chambers so Wenger didn't get so much scrutiny for that decision (though at the time I was dreading the amount of pressure he would inevitably be under when the season got under way) but he can't get away with several iffy decisions.
telling him he should leave or criticising something in particular is one thing but saying 'get out while you can' and swearing isn't on. neither wenger nor these 'fans' represent me or the arsenal many of us want to bring about.
Absolute rubbish,true gooners you say,you don't know the meaning of the term if that's what you really think.I want Wenger too move on as much as the next guy but resorting to abusing players and management in that manner it totally out of order and all it will do is stain the image of the club and the club is also bigger than this kind of support. I have seen a lot in my time supporting this club since 1970 and what I have just viewed tonight is totally out of order and unacceptable,and this is from a guy who has never been able to afford a season ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
The 'Eboue Effect', as it's known in Arsenal circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Balotelli Is Boss
I want him to go but certainly won't resort to abuse.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Nice of you to sit on your sofa and tell fans that have paid £150+ to travel up to a shithole like stoke only to watch us lose that they aren't real fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun
They can voice their displeasure whatever way they want. Realest gooners around.
No. They aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
They're inarticulate disgraceful pondlife.
:lol: You bad man! You tell 'em from that sofa!
It generally is where I tend to post from ~midnight.
Arsenal have got plenty of my money over the years.
This was always on the cards. I could see this happening a mile off. It was bound to get nasty. When the press leach on to this, he'll get the sympathy vote and the spotlight will be placed back on the fans behaviour. He needs to go before he makes things worse.
No doubt he has to go.
Some people live life with no regrets, but if like most, he does, not calling it a day after the FA Cup win must be his biggest professional regret.
Shouting abuse like that won't change a thing - Arsenal is all about maximising revenue and making money. Taking that away from them is the only power a fan has.
Oh it will. They live in this bubble where they think everything is rosy, the banner caused a stir and now this. They're slowly starting to realise and this might just add a bit of pressure to his job.
A bunch of knobs spouting off changes nothing. You think they are immune to hearing the mood? They aren't. But while the money rolls in, and it is ALL about the money, there is no pressure.
The ticket money will continue to roll in. The bulk has been spent already via ST sales.
However merchandising is down (it has to be because I've told everyone I want nothing Arsenal related for Christmas) and CL money is genuinely at stake if this current malaise linger on.
Not qualifying for the CL will hurt us in the short term and could prove difficult to recover from quickly, but it is the thing most likely to get rid of Wenger.
Arsenal-mania down :lol:
I saw this coming. I think Zimm, I and a few others saw this coming in 2009. The FA Cup was great but Pompey and Wigan won it too... what was not fixed with that cup win was the fact that we are a fundamentally average football team. .It wasnt going to change or is not going to change under Wenger. Every year we thank our lucky stars that others teams are shit... for a club that charges the highest football prices in the Europe, thats a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The only way Wenger is getting the boot is going to be the ugly way.. it shouldnt have happened like this but I dont care about him anymore, nor about his legacy. His 8 million quid a year pay packet will soothe the arse burn... he can piss off from the club!
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
lol such visionaries!! The world and his wife saw this coming in 2009. Our team has gradually got worse and the competition has quickly got better. Much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
The argument is whether our decline, and the competitions rapid rise, has more to do with Wenger being a fucktard or the difference in player spending between us and the competition.
I'm a little bit surprised that the fans are seemingly getting angrier and angrier. We've just won the FA Cup and are now seemingly buying a world class player in each summer window. We've reached an inflection point and can now buy a world class player every window instead of selling one. Ozil turning to shit hasn't helped matters though.
Wenger has never been a tactical genius and he definitely needs to revamp the defence. Per is dog shit now and we've needed a DM for donkeys years. But I genuinely believe our form is more because of our injuries than Wenger's incompetence.
We have injury problems because he's incompetent. He's sold defenders during a World Cup year and hasn't bought any experienced ones in. He doesn't make best use of his subs and runs the first team into the ground until we're forced to make a change because of injuries. We'll bring in new tech to show players fatigue levels and he'll just ignore the warning signs. How many times as he said a players in the red but he keeps playing them? Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil, Giroud and now Sanchez. He keeps playing them until they finally reach breaking point. He never learns!
Bullshit, frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Doom-mongering every single season and saying how we're going to drop out of the top 4 and how rubbish we are doesn't make you Nostradamas when 5 years later we are actually pretty rubbish.
Well, actually, it does make you Nostradamas as he was full of shit too and people who believe in what he wrote just selectively fit world events around vague things he spouted after the fact.
If I sit while someone keeps rolling a die and I keep saying "it'll be a 1" then if, at the 5th attempt, it is actually a 1 I don't get to say "Ha! See? Told you!"
We had this discussion last year and I told you it would be even more difficult to win the league. It's not bullshit. It was an in depth discussion. When I said last season was the time to really push for the title, you were talking as if we had more of chance the following season after buying more players. Flawed thinking as said back then because there are no guarantees we'll go from strength to strength. We should have done more last year to build on the momentum and go for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
When you keep talking about money bag clubs, did you really think they'd stand still this year? Jose was bound to really go for the jugular in his second year. Man Utd were bound to spend a fortune and City are City. But this was all said last year but you bat it away and then come back with the 'who could foresee' talk.
The January window should have been enough indication. That should have set alarm bells running. We played our only striker and midfield into the ground to then purchase an injured player that couldn't help us when in need. The FA Cup win should have even set some sort of alarm bell off because we went two goals down against Hull! It was close to going to penalties. We won in the end but that season showed that we still have wobbles and can buckle under pressure. Just look at the City, Liverpool and Chelsea drummings.
As usual, you don't notice the massive turd right in the middle of the living room floor until it's stepped on.
That Ty guy gets behind his team, he gets behind his team, he gets behind his team, he gets behind his team, he gets behind his team, he gets behind his team, he gets behind his team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
This has been coming for a long time, we haven't been progressing, it's been the same old same old every single season, we have a manager who neglects the basic concepts of management.
I don't agree with the abuse but I think it's high time we heard Wenger out chants as he's been taking the p*ss out of the fans for years and really doesn't give a damn what they think or what anyone else thinks.
We've been absolutely awful this season and yet after 3 games it was all going quiet again as if everything was good, people need to look at the big picture and realise we're going nowhere and haven't been for years and won't until Wenger leaves.
People like that Ty guy who basically signify blind faith really need a reality check, they are like mini Wengers with an excuse for everything that goes wrong, it's embarassing.
You can't make excuses for what's going on, it's down to poor management, lack of tactics, lack of planning and inability or refusal to deal with problem areas and accepting 4th place as if it's some sort of major prize for the club.
What was it, worst start for over 30 years this season, that says a lot considering some of the awful teams we've had in that time.
IMO the manager should be incredibly embarrased by his attitude and his neglect of the team.
Yes, I remember that discussion. I don't think I was talking as if we had more chance this season but anyway, that's not quite the same as what I'm talking about now. I'm not talking about whether we can win the league this year, that was always going to be difficult but that's not even the issue right now, the issue is can we stay in the top 4 (Answer: probably, but only because most of the other rivals for the top 4 are pretty hopeless too)Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But whether we do or not, the point is this year we seem to have taken a major step backwards. We've had 4 or 5 years of being fairly static in terms of our performance. I think a final points total is a pretty good measure and year on year we've actually improved, marginally. And last year we won the FA Cup, finally getting that monkey off our back. We seemed to be making good signings in the summer and yet...we're hopeless. I don't believe anyone who says they foresaw us being this bad this year. The mood in the season prediction thread was pretty upbeat.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3016
And I notice that none of the people now saying "see? told you so!" posted in that thread.
I'd agree with the fact that we haven't been progressing, but we haven't been regressing either. We've been stagnating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
But I hoped, as I think many of us did, that the FA Cup could be a springboard to better things. The new financial deals are in place which gives us a new muscle in the transfer window - the Ozil and Sanchez signings are evidence of that. And yet...
I'm struggling to believe that anyone saw this coming - by 'this' I mean us being quite this hopeless.
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Originally Posted by Letters
What’s the point of starting that discussion before the window has closed? Depending on who we sign or sell, opinions will change. With our wafer thin backline, it wasn’t hard to see that we’d be in trouble with a couple of injuries. Also, nobody likes a killjoy and I can’t imagine any negative opinions being taken too seriously when everyone else is so optimistic. What’s the point in sparking a debate of how we’ll do before a ball has been kicked? You’ll just accuse the poster of being overly negative as usual.Quote:
And I notice that none of the people now saying "see? told you so!" posted in that thread.
Nobody is shocked by the results. That’s the feeling I get when I talk to other fans. They’re not surprised by how crap we’re doing because they know we have it in us. We’ve had 9 years of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I doubt anyone would be surprised this season to see us go 3 goals down to the chavs or gypos or utd, we don't learn lessons after all. Going 3 down to Stoke, that's quite surprising. It shows we not only refuse to learn lessons but are intent to fine tune the mismanagement so the outcomes are even worse. We're like a boxer that hangs his chin out. Each knock out makes us reflect on how efficiently we're hanging our chin out, as if perfecting how we expose ourselves will somehow overcome the knock out blows. Other managers must shit and piss themselves laughing when they play us.
When we’ve thrown away a 4 goal lead to Newcastle, lost 5-1 to Spurs, been smashed 8-2 by United, been kicked out of the Carling Cup by Burnley, lost a Carling Cup final 2-1 to a relegated Birmingham. We went 3 goals down to West Brom and lost 3-2. Why is this one result a shock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You must make an absolute fortune on all the bets you win, I'm surprised the local bookie hasn't barred you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Yes, because I predicted we’d lose over the weekend. :doh: Also, isn’t gambling a sin according to the bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Not in the match thread so we'll just take your word for it :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Although, to be fair, most people thought we'd lose. But I'm sure with your laser-like prescience you knew we'd be 3-0 down at half time so were able to bet more specific in your bet and really clean up. Do you still work or are you just on the tropical island these days?
Why are you encouraging gambling when you know it's not right? Fraud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't think we've taken a step back I think this season is another clear example of stagnation, if you look at the results and the points accumulation compared to the same point two seasons ago its very similar
After fifteen league games in 12/13 we were on 21 points, this time it's 23
We were on ten points in the champions league after five matches, we have ten points now
We haven't gone backwards at all, it's the same shit stick it always was the difference is we know that having more money to spend won't make a fucking bit of difference
I'm not encouraging it, but with your gift you must be cleaning up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory