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It was the NLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
misunderstanding, i was celebrating the introduction of peroni beer into my system ...following our self inflicted beatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
:haha:
Liberal Democrats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
You guys really thought Maestro named his son 'Peroni'? :lol:
Actually , we have won more derbies than Tottenham . And you can not expect to win all derbies , can you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
So....about that wake up call we had against City...AFC Leveler said we'd know more after the Spurs game so what have we learnt? Was this just a bad day at the office or something more?
TBF, Wenger's record against Spuds is very very good, something like 7 losses in 40+ games and although we just werent at the races yesterday, i dont think this defeat is significant in any way. in 2013, we lost 2-1 at the Lane and were 8 points behind them (March). We then went on a run and finished above them (all be it on the last day of the season). I think its gonna be really tight this season too but with both 3rd and 4th up for grabs, i think we have a better squad and run in then Spuds, Saints and Liverpool and can afford to bring on the likes of Jack, Ozil, Theo, Rozza and Welbbz in the latter stages of the season and that could be the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Journo's and pundits love them a young honest english lad and they cant stop wanking over Kane. Yes, he is having a good season but i think he'll turn out to be a one season wonder.
the goofy -unt.
It's a good record against Spurs and I'm not really worried about where we'll finish in the league. I'm more interested in people's opinions on our tactics. If this defeat isn't significant, why would is the City win significant?Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Yeah, I suppose when we're successful there's no need to celebrate, after all it's no big deal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I'd like to think he is a flash in the pan but 21 goals in all competitions.....and anyone with more goals than Sanchez deserves respect. And about 3 quarters of them haven't been in a mickey mouse cup too..
Well , calling all the demons because we have lost a game , be it a derby , will not change anything at all . We have to look forward to the next game and amend some silly mistakes we made Yesterday which cost us the 3 points .Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I was very disappointed after the last whistle but I have quickly moved on .Bring on Leicester .
No cause for concern the fans watching that game and knew we were going to lose but the manager didn't? You could have picked anyone from the away seating and put them in the manager's chair and they would have done a better job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Splitters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
Who did we have available that has shown some fight in prior derby matches?
Rosicky. Benched.
Walcott. Benched.
Who did we have yesterday who was showing a bit of fight?
Welbeck. Subbed.
Who was having a bad day yesterday?
Ramsey. 90 minutes.
Ozil. 90 minutes.
Who was getting murdered yesterday?
Bellerin.
Who, after all these years, still doesn't understand there's more to football than GPS heat maps, computer generated fatigue indexes and broccoli absorption rates?
Wenger
Sorry mate, you just don't have a clue. This isn't as simple as 'you can't win em all'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
When it comes to the match being materially important, we can't win any of them.
This is bad enough when it's against United, City, the Chavs, Liverpool and even Southampton. But against the Spuds, where we get completely overrun, while seeing zero management. It is fucking unacceptable.
The team should at least turn up for what after 20 years is becoming OUR cup final and give us some pride.
I've become pretty ambivalent about this Club, expecting this team to let me down that it hasn't bothered me when they've done it time and time again.
But I guess I still care because now we can't even deliver when pride is at stake. For all my ambivalence, this hurts because. It is way beyond your can't win em all view, this is about who we are and what this club means.
This club is now defined by capitulation.
Got to the bit about Rosicky and Theo being benched and thought I'm quoting that bit and good posting it. But it is all :gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ahino-25m.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Our record in the big games (City, Chelsea, Man ure and Liverpool-ish-) is really bad and we needed to win at a big away ground to sooner or later to prove out worth and we did that. Spuds are a beter side this season but its a local derby and anything can happen, we were absent on the day and thats why i dont think it was significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Its also worth noting that you need a bit of luck to go your way and yesterday we didnt really have that (their first goal for example, the ball fell to their best player).
All in all, i think we will show consistancy as we always do in the 2nd half of the season and Wenger knows his precious 4th place is in danger of slipping away so he'll do whats required.
It tells me that Tony Adams was one hell of a leader. Same for Vieira. It tells me it was great to have masters like Bergkamp and Pires who could orchestrate a lethal attacking philosophy. It tells me that unsung heroes like Gilberto really deserve a lot more credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You can't win every game in football, no team can do that. Accidents will happen, like Marketing getting thumped last night. But you can PLAN for and COMPETE in every game. Losses can be accepted provided you give it 100% and you can spot and use the lessons picked up from that loss.
It tells me that recurring wild swings in the performance and commitment levels of a team reveals deep flaws in whoever is organising and motivating that team.
It tells me that somebody is tarnishing their legacy and needs to get out before the whole nasty truth is fully exposed.
That's the very reason I think it's deeply significant. Any fan who can't stand a loss has unrealistic expectations. But when you lose because the team forgets to turn up and when you've seen that happen over and over, particularly at moments when momentum needs to be maintained, then that's a massive indicator. What this results tells us is if we somehow get into a position where it is crucial for us to perform in order to achieve something of significance this season - we'll fail.Quote:
...we were absent on the day and thats why i dont think it was significant.
The amount of times you've pulled me up for not understanding what was posted - you're always wrong BTW, you shouldn't be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
:gp: if I am scratching my arse so I can pull out a completely useless excuse......is that we hardly ever do well in early kick off games....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I didn't see this game but based on his recent form, Santi needs to be given the reins......I thought Ozil scoring meant he had a decent game but obviously reading you guy's early comments he had his usual dreamy stroll through 90 minutes.....he should not play out wide and if someone is playing the ten better then he needs to sit out......Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Should have kept in Rosicky and Theo.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That is possibly the best post I've ever read on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Bang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Does Ozil have a clause in his contract whereby, injuries aside, he is guaranteed 90 mins?
I questioned Welbeck's inclusion even though he was obviously 'up for it'.
Because of that attitude he didn't perhaps hang back looking to catch Spurs out on the break and the out ball was never going to totally be with Ozil being on the left with the type of player he is so I wasn't quite sure what we were trying to achieve. I didn't really believe before the game we needed to set up entirely in the same way as we did against City.....and if that was what we were trying, we didn't really have the right balance of personnel for it or execute it well enough.
Your first good post tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
After the City game, you said it might have been the wake up call we needed but we'll see after the Spurs game. So why, after losing, is the result now unimportant? Especially after that comment came after agreeing with Fakeyank's post about us having a good squad but being let down by Wenger's lack of tactics and poor man management.
Didn't yesterday's game show that Wenger hasn't really learned much considering yesterday's squad selection and the tactics? You agree that Rosicky and Walcott should have started, right?
The real Monreal - this is why we can't be doing with players like this. Can you imagine Keown in that position?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...3412513387.jpg
That's a strange comparison considering Keown was a CB.... but I agree he probably isn't the long term answer. I thought Bellerin had just as dodgy a game if not worse. Not the end of the world though as any player of his age will have a lot to learn in that position that his talent/ability isn't going to necessarily or naturally iron out for him.
From memory though, there winner was scored by a striker smaller, slower and weaker than Koscielny and Per collectively rising between the two of them and nodding it in. One of them has to deal with that better at that stage in the game.
Keown wouldn't have allowed that to happen. Per has had a dodgy season and Koscielny is certainly not faultless.
Don't mean positionally. I mean in terms of attacking the ball and clearing everything out if necessary. We've seen too many defenders cowering and watching proceedings at crucial moments this season. For sure, Kos shouldn't have been beaten to that ball. But he was and Monreal was in a position to at least make a nuisance of himself. Look at the body shape. Look at the fact there's 2 spuds in there on one man. It's a snapshot, Monreal might not have been able to make it. But look at the body shape. Reminiscent of Merts when he bottled that challenge a few weeks ago. Our guys can't do the rough stuff and we pay the price on a regular basis.Quote:
That's a strange comparison considering Keown was a CB....
It's endemic across our defenders, mertesacker leading the charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The loss to Spurs wasnt down to lack of big game mentality, it wasnt down to tactics, it wasnt down to individual erros, it was down to a very poor display on the day and yes, the manager was mostly at fault because he didnt seem to do anything about it. However, Wenger hasnt suddenly changed his stubborn ways in one game (city away) and his old habbits still remain (wrong subs on saturday). When we go to Man ure (our only big away game left) it will tell us a lot more about our ability to win the big away games than Saturday did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Our squad right now is a lot more ballanced than before, we have competeton for places (but whether wenger continues to select his favourites is a different argument) and genuine quality is almost every position.
Put it this way, had we won on saturday, i wouldnt come here and say we have definitely made a turnaround and can beat anyone in this league. Beating Spuds for me has always been because we have had better players and a better manager more than anything else.
Now the Manure game will tell us more? But last week you said the Spurs game would tell us more. That's my point. Shifting goal posts slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Trust me, im telling it the way i see it. No shifting goal posts because we all know what our problems are. A loss to spurs is always hard to take but i really cant see much beyond the fact that it was a loss in a local derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Ive probably been one of our biggest critics this season but i really cant see anything in this loss other than the manager getting the subs wrong and letting us down again with his lakc of game change.
Kos should be the focus on that goal. He wasn't marking tight enough and missed the header. Also, I have no idea why we always fall asleep when it's a throw in. We let them cross the ball into our box unchallenged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn