I wouldn’t want to lose Jack but I don’t think there is a threat of him leaving. I said ages ago we bumped up the wages of our young players too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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I wouldn’t want to lose Jack but I don’t think there is a threat of him leaving. I said ages ago we bumped up the wages of our young players too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'm actually with Zim on this :yikes:
110k for a guy who's an unreliable injury crock. And despite his immense potential, hasn't consistently demonstrated his quality over an extended period. :doh:
I'd wait for a better source because the Metro is a shithouse in journalism but if it's true the only thing I can suspect is that the club are really concerned about the new homegrown player quota.
Ridiculous really. I've never understood why Jack has gotten pay rises so easily but players like Song and Sagna are let go if they ask for a better contract. The guys that prove their worth should be first in line for a contract.
I wonder how Zim manages to hold the two thoughts that "we waste too much money on salaries" and "Wenger doesn't like to spend money" in his head at the same time. Hmm.
But anyway, we DO reward our players too young before they've achieved anything. I agree that Wilshere isn't much of a flight risk but lots of players are, if we don't pay them silly money then someone else no doubt will so I guess we have to play the game.
That isn't why either of those players left and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I know it? Really? Do you know what was going on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...t-expires.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-for-life.html
Not sure if the papers are accurate but from what I remember we weren't offering the £100k. With Song, I recall him saying the above. What's true and what's false I don't know but the resolve to keep them wasn't there.
But who is offering silly money for these guys? Have any of these players hinted at leaving? It doesn't make sense to me to pay over the odds in an attempt to pre-empt a threat that doesn't exist. If an actual performing player like Ozil gets demands £200k to match a rival clubs offer but we can't match because we've maxed out our wage bill, it will be because of this sort of stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
IF the Wilshere contract news is true, then whoever offered him that contract needs to be fired and sent to Mars. We wasted a LOT of time and resources on people like Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere and the likes... lets not continue this shit.
Shows how crass the game is really. You can be rewarded for doing sod all. He's been available what, 6-7 months at most over the last 3 years since his last deal?
Players' wages and transfer fees are all so utterly ridiculous these days that it's next to impossible to say what anyone is 'worth'. No-one is worth £100k a week whatever they do, least of all someone whose job it is to kick a football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I do agree we're paying our players far too much far too young, and I don't know if any specific bids for our players that might have prompted new deals but we know how easy it is for players' heads to be turned these days.
Sagna was offered a new contract but he decided he wanted a big pay off to sit on the bench at city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Song's poor attitude and indiscipline meant he was actively shown the door.
Simple stuff.
It really is ridiculous but we’re only inflating our own wage bill for no reason. The demand for the player has to be there at least and there has to be a real threat of the player walking :lol:. I just don’t see that as a possibility with a good chunk of the players we offer new contracts. Ox, Gibbs, Ramsey….They’re happy and just want to play and improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Let’s say a club like City wanted to take Wilshere off our hands, they’ll just gazump his current deal and if we wanted to keep him, we’d have to be prepared to match the offer he’s received. But if they are offering him £200k to gazump our £110k, I can’t see us keeping him either way. We’re just making it difficult for ourselves in the long run. If we had a good young player on £50k and these vultures come in and try to double his wages, we’d at least be able to match that if he asks for us to match the offer. We can’t if we’re already at stretching point with these guys wages.
:doh: What did I say about Sagna? We weren't willing to match the price. His loss, our loss. But when you compare that situation of a long serving player for a injury prone player...it's a bit silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Song....bollocks. He suddenly developed such a poor attitude that we had to sell him? You think we'd have sold if Barca offered us £5m? Rubbish!
If reports of Wilshere's new contract is true, then his head turns just as easily as his ankles.. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol:
:rimshot:
No, because we'd have sold him somewhere else for his market value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Song was moved on because we didn't want him any more. The sooner you accept that the sooner we can all move on.
So just as Barca make a very high bid and he has an impressive season for us, we don't want him because of 'discipline' problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Yeah. Sure. If you say so.
:lol:
It's pretty well known. You can make something else up though if it suits your own agenda.
Since when was this pretty well known? If he always had a bad attitude why was he in the team for so long? More discipline problems than Wilshere with his smoking, partying and fights? Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Song had discipline problems? Thats news to me.
It was reported on his departure that he became a bit of a billy big bollocks but how much was true I don't know. All came from "sources close to the club".
You could see it in the way he played. He was supposed to be the holding player but how often would he go roaming forward?
You can see he had an attitude problem by the way he played? :haha:
We must have a serious problem throughout the camp if that's the case. Flamini and Ramsey must be running amok when you look at the way they just roam forward. I bet Kolo Toure and Vermaelen were complete bastards to work with as well. They'd often go charging up the pitch at random moment. Must have been real uncontrollable hot heads. And that Denilson fella. :haha:
You're embarrassing yourself.
Again.
Just delete that post and pretend it never happened. That's bloody embarrassing.
You can tell by the way he played? :lol: You can't be serious.
Hey! :angry:
Pointless bickering is my job :sulk:
Yes chaps. Leave it to the experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The timing of this new contract seems strange considering he's not set foot on the pitch this season, I also wonder how long he had left on his current deal. He really owes us, especially when you look at the likes of Dele Alli tearing the league apart at those noisy neighbours down the road.
I'm sure he gets injured on purpose and loves not being able to play football.
It was also Diaby's dream when he was a young boy.
What, sitting around on your arse getting paid millions? That's everyone's dream.
Who cares how he feels frankly, like Diaby we have a player who is never going to stay fit that's a shame but we don't owe these guys a living.
Frankly harsh as it sounds, fuck him....let him resurrect his career with a mid table club, why should we being paying him for not playing. Arsenal is a football club not a convalescence home
You almost kinda sorta maybe had me until you put the 'fuck him' part in there.....
I don't actually agree that we should move him on either. I know the arguments from a business sense but we can neither claim to run entirely as a business all the time, nor a sports club......and so there is room for both as we see fit(no pun intended there).
Someone has to pay his bills :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Probably, gives him more time to go to nightclubs and parties with hot tubs and smoke ciggies., it's a hard life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Whether you look at it as a sports club or a business it's not conducive to keep him here, when we can offload and have someone in the squad who will actually play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Why, he never plays and gets paid a fortune. Sounds like a waste of money to me, as has been said we're not a charity and it's not our job and we don't owe him a living, he's done absolutely nothing in his career so far to be deserving of any loyalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I agree with that. Injuries will happen and I think Wilshere will recover and get through this phase. Or at least I hope. I wouldn't want to sell him right now. That's a bit too cut throat and a corporate decision and most fans complain about the way our club is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
But I think we need to review these wages. I'm sure Ox and Ramsey will be up next for massive contracts and it's too much. We can't still have a socialist wage structure and try to keep everyone on similar wages. It's just not smart business.
Doubt Wilshere got injured on purpose. But if he did - fuck him - sell him.
Excellent player though. Just needs a good run of games and for the manager to use him properly and kick a bit of discipline into him. Then again, same could be said of Ramsey, Theo, Ox...
But if we're going to sell him then signing him up to a new contract is a smart move. His fee just went up by tens of millions.
The crazy wages are the result of the money funnel. More being pumped in at the top and more being siphoned off by the players and agents. The extra money is just being washed through the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
This sort of thing would have been an issue a few years back (for example, with Diaby and Rosicky), when additions were scarce, and every penny we had available was precious - back then we really couldn't afford to be a couple of key players down, year after year after year. I'm kind of easy about it this time round though - on the one hand you have to say the wages look obscene, considering what we've been getting in return these last couple of years, but on the other we can comfortably afford it now, it's not stopping us from investing in midfield (as we've just seen), we're not reliant on him being fit, and it doesn't look like we're pinning any future hopes on him either? It's an indulgence on our part, no question about it, but one that we can allow ourselves this time.
The ball's in Wilshere's court now - obviously the club will be hoping that he goes on to fulfil his potential, but it's no skin off our nose if he doesn't. Not much he can do about the injuries, but beyond that it really is up to him whether he wants to be a serious player, or just another nobody who's happy to sit on the bench and take his money...