Jack Wilshere getting 100k a week for being a fucking cripple
Yet he's on the cover of Mens Health
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Jack Wilshere getting 100k a week for being a fucking cripple
Yet he's on the cover of Mens Health
https://twitter.com/OptaParody/statu...16150002839554
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Ox would've had done that himself. Wenger doesn't direct his players, he rarely leaves his seat and when he does he just stands in the technical area looking frustrated. The problem isn't that Wenger is restricting the team with his instructions, the problem is he is restricting the team by not handing out instructions. He leaves it all up to the players to figure out on the pitch. He is a man who explicitly trusts the intelligence of his players to figure out a way to win. That's why players like Ox and Ramsey don't develop because no-one is guiding their game, pointing out what they should and shouldn't be doing. That's why Ramsey gets in the way of Ozil and Ox is seen charging around defending as a right back, head down and giving the ball away on the edge of the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He put together teams years ago that had that intelligence and understanding because the core players spoke the same language, played together in their national team and became the best in the world in their positions. He bought them in the knowledge that their similarities would help them gel together. This squad doesn't tick many of those boxes, so it needs guidance from an experienced manager in order to sustain a real title challenge. A couple of cup wins isn't enough. We saw how little an effect it had last season in the league. But the players won't get that, so left to their own devices out there, the same naive mistakes will keep rearing their heads.
When you get old you remain stuck in your ways, Fergie did too but his mentality of freshening up the squad and guiding the players was there from day one. Wenger is still trying to do the same things he used with a new group of players who can't do it that way. That approach was very unique and could only exist in the period it did before the complete globalisation of game took away his advantages. He didn't have to be as tactically astute back then when only us and Utd were leading the league but it showed when we played in Europe every season how behind he was in that regard. We could blow everyone away in he league because it was full of pub teams. Now everyone in the league has money, training facilities, access to the same knowledge as everyone else and so Wenger has become a good manager, rather than the great one he once was. There are plenty of good managers around but that isn't enough to win you the big trophies or to compete for them regularly.
Wouldn't even call him a good manager nowadays
Tactically he's shot
That's the point - he was never tactically any good, it has just been highlighted more over the past decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Of course he's a good manager. He won a couple of cups in succession and never finishes below fourth. So he's good - but no longer good enough to lead the club to big success. Of course, there is an argument to say that he is doing a bad job because of the talent and resources he is wasting at his disposal, that a good manager would make the most of the tools at his disposal. I think that all depends on how you want to look at the argument really.
I wish someone would point out to him that we went almost a decade without a trophy and our recent success boils down to 'outside solutions' and buying better players. This is something he just doesn't get. He's had several cracks at this and he just has to accept he has to buy players to win things. We can see he's not the sharpest guy when it comes to tactics. We go two goals down and his solution is to throw on all our attacking players and that completely disrupt the balance of the team even further. He needs to buy a better striker and decide on his best 11 asap. After our last winning streak it shouldn't be that hard to work out!Quote:
on transfers…
I would like to think that we are responsible to buy the players and the coaches, not the media. When you’re a pro footballer, you have to face your responsibilities and not always look at something else. Today we have to look at ourselves and think we were not good enough and not to think that these kinds of things are solutions for us. We were not good enough, we were not convincing. And that’s basically it. West Ham played well. Congratulations to them and hopefully we can bounce back quickly. Again, I can only repeat what I already said. If an exceptional solution turns up, we’ll do it. But after a defeat like that, it’s important not always to think we take a solution from outside.
Fuck off, fuck off again, and when you get there fuck right off. Cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
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Originally Posted by Injury Time
Here we go again, people kept saying it was different now because we had a bad start last season. Pre-season wins mean nothing, they're the equvalent of warm ups, a few wins and most people think everything is hunky-dory, what we needed this summer was a few quality signings, not just one goalkeeper, without those we'll be fighting for top 4 and nothing else as we always do.
Verdict: disappointed but not surprised.
I didn't think we quite had the squad to seriously...and I mean seriously challenge for the league before the Chelsea game and I'm still not sure we do now but I expected us to be way more with it today than we were.
A fully up to speed Alexis would have spared our blushes today but it shouldn't be down to him and it was almost a joke him even being in the squad to begin with, but for his sheer relentlessness to play and be involved.
I found that astonishing too. Wenger claims it is difficult to sign a player because he would have to be top, top quality to give us more than we already have. I actually agree with that, only top tier will do. So if we have this squad full of players it is so hard to replace, why is Alexis on the bench at all if he is supposed to be getting up to match fitness? Was Wenger scared going into this game and needed a fail safe? He was embarrassed having to throw the kitchen sink, at home, against a well organised (look it up Wenger) but ultimately inferior opposition.Quote:
A fully up to speed Alexis would have spared our blushes today but it shouldn't be down to him and it was almost a joke him even being in the squad to begin with, but for his sheer relentlessness to play and be involved.
We got unlucky with Cech's performance. I doubt that will ever happen again in his case. But even so, Wenger's inability to set up the team and the tactics to break down a well drilled opposition is still there for all to see. How many years now? Every team is going to lose a few this season, but to be losing for the same old reasons no matter which players are on the pitch. Eventually Wenger will have to stand up and own these recurring problems. Not today though, today he was full of lame excuses.
Didn't want this to ruin Sunday, but it did. Big time.
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Originally Posted by Munchies
FY :bow:
Should be manager of Arsenal tbf.. :coffee:
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
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same shit, different season
Oooohhh look at the width on that team..
Wenger :bow:
What an absolute waste.......why are we on almost every occasion not able to take advantage of another team dropping points.....we do it every time!!! It's like we feel sorry for the cu&ts.......why are we never ever mentally up for it......it's drives me fuc£ing crazy
I think we'll challenge for the title. I'm not going to overreact after one game, that's the media's job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
By all accounts (on here at least) Chelsea were pretty rubbish and could have lost, they got lucky with a deflected goal. Utd were rubbish too and only won because of an own goal. We were actually pretty decent, we had 'one of those days' in front of goal (and, of course, their 'keeper was excellent - how often does that happen against us?) and West Ham only had 2 shots on target all day and scored both (again, how often does that happen against us?)
We can't afford too many days like that but playing like we did yesterday we're not going to lose many games. We're one game in, let's see where we are by Christmas. We have to properly challenge this year, we're good enough to.
Another thing that keeps happening is poor performances in the early kick offs 12:45, 13:30. The team never seems prepared. I think we will be in for a struggle next Sunday when we go to Palace, always a tough place to go.
Giroud has his flaws but this type of thing is where I'll cut him some slack, he's obviously a striker who thrives off service but when there's no width he ends up dropping deep to join in, when he should really be pushing on waiting for the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
We'll instantly improve when Alexis is sharp but Theo should also be starting to maximise how direct we can play. Trouble is WUMger has a fetish for grouping together the tippy tappy brigade.
I wouldn't say there keeper was excellent, he did what a keeper is meant to do. I don't recall a single world class top drawer save he had to make. He even fumbled the ball a couple of times and no one was around to capitalise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It is a results game. However I think if we do play like that more often than not we are going to struggle. We had possession but Chelsea had possession against us last weekend and lost. We didn't really look like scoring or creating a lot of chances. Not having Bellerin depressingly probably made a big difference. The way we play we need pacey full backs. So maybe even Gibbs and Bellerin for home games.
It is only one game in but dreams of an unbeaten season are already gone after the feel good pre-season and community shield.
Palace (a) then Liverpool (h) Newcastle (a) Stoke (h) and Chelsea (a) that's not going to be easy particularly the away games. But knowing us we will win the next four then lose to Chelsea and have to start again.
I never had dreams of an unbeaten season :lol:
We did lack little bit sharpness up front but it wasn't a terrible performance.
The league doesn't take shape for a bit - back in the day they didn't bother publishing tables at least for a few games. Now the do of course so the media can pore over them and over-analyse.
Let's see where we are by Christmas, but we cannot afford to start this season like we did last.
I wouldn't. He's like a statue up front and doesn't help himself with his lack of movement. He spends way too much time wrestling with defenders, back to goal pushing them back trying to get an inch of space just so he can attempt a useless flick which usually results in us turning over possession and it's way too dependent on one of our midfield players making a good run. When crosses in for the back post he's too slow to get there. 5 attempts on goal. 2 on target. One I think was a weak header and the other was that shot that looked like it was going well wide but got deflected and keeper ended up making a save. In games like that were clear cut chances aren't that easy to come by, he's really not good enough and just misses the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It doesn't really matter about other teams and their performance. We're waiting on City's results but they're all ahead of us on point. This is an example where we need to match their results 'stride for stride' or go one better. When we're actually in the title race and everything is even. There is no point in going on a 10 game winning streak around February when we're way behind on points. It's very early but you saw the mountain we had to climb last season and you yourself say it's what cost us dearly. Will we learn from that this season is the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We weren't decent. We really weren't. You can't trump such results up to luck when they happen so often. Pay attention to the team selection for starters. It wasn't balanced and Wenger decided to disrupt a very good partnership between Cazorla and Coquelin, a huge reason why we had a good run last season, and it results in both players having very off games. Cazorla wasn't able to control the middle of the park with his passing and Coquelin was having to spread the ball around instead which is why we saw some off passes from him.
Instead we play Ramsey next to Coquelin and not only did Ramsey do a poor job as CM he smothered Ozil as well. I don't know why Wenger felt the need to tinker with the team like that but it shows he still doesn't know what works and why a particular group of players work. He could have rectified things with his subs, hook Ramsey off, bring on Theo, move Cazorla back to the centre with Coquelin but no! He destroys the balance of play again and then again by taking of Debuchy for Alexis.
You're right. We can't afford many games like that but I think we will see many more if Wenger doesn't come to a quick realisation about the balance needed to win the league. When teams lock up shop he still has no answer for it so even if we hadn't have lost the game with those Cech blunders, it could have easily been a draw based on what we saw from the first half. The attacking line up he sent out he's seen plenty of times and should know by now that too many ball to feet passers won't unlock an organised defence.
Our issue yesterday wasn't Giroud, though he clearly isn't Aguero / Suarez etc.
The issue was midfield, even if we did gift two goals.
They were all square, and all funnelled central. No width, no movement. The amount of times Cazorla received a pass, and Arteta'd it to Coq, who passed it back square again. Ramsey was shocking. AOC wasn't told to fuck off out wide, and we had nothing on the left apart from a poor Monreal.
Giroud had nothing really. No service, and had to keep dropping deep to get the ball.
Our shape was shite, and as we were so square, it's no wonder a 16 year old (credit to the lad) was able to boss us. With the quality we have, we should be passing triangles round the fella.
Of course we'll do better in other matches, but the main worry, is that there is STILL no instruction from the side lines when it's clear as day how unbalanced we were. It's shocking how a seasoned manager like Wenger still can't lead the team. All he needed to do was give a few instructions to the team, show them where they're going wrong.....it's basic shit. That's why we won't win the league under Wenger.
If you have the highlights look at Giroud's movement at the moment where Ox goes on that mazy run taking on half of the West Ham team on his own. Giroud decides to make a near post run instead of back post and not really attempting to lose the defender marking the front post. Why make that run? He's always looking for ball to feet crosses and makes no use of his height.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yep, I think Wenger will dig his heels in even more now that the cries for strengthening the squad are getting louder. Everybody knows what we need but Wenger won't be told. He's more interested in finding internal solutions than going into the market to buy the missing pieces of the jigsaw. I don't even think we need much, we are only 1 at a push 2 players away from being favourites for the title IMO, obviously those signings would need to be "Sanchez" level type buys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I do think we can put in a title challenge with the squad as is but everything has to fall in place, I.E. no injuries and everybody playing at a high level, already things are starting to fall apart with the injuries mounting, Bellerin out yesterday with a muscular injury, Jack out for a while to add to the list of the other serial crocks. I imagine we are going to pick up some more muscular injuries as the season progresses so I don't really think it's realistic of us to sustain a credible title challenge.
Giroud is part of the problem because he stifles the midfield even further with his movement. Players have nothing to work. Even with the chances he gets he doesn't score. He had a more clear moment that was waved off side early in the first half. A close call and another lines men may not have given it but Giroud still couldn't finish the chance even if luck was on our side.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
We were poor in all areas to be fair but we're supposed to be a team with goals in us according to Wenger. He needs to have a rethink. With a congested midfield like that, you can't have a player like Giroud up front because he exasperated the problem.
Injuries are problem but let's hope they bless us again by taking out problematic players and leaving Wenger with fewer options to screw up.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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Originally Posted by LDG
The thing is, this result is a disaster but it doesn't rule us out of the title, but it will if we fail to learn from it
The bollocks that simply the players played badly or we were unlucky or West Ham had more game time under their belt is the kind of nonsense that means we won't learn.
Wenger seems to be more interested in fitting his best players into the team rather than putting out a side that is cohesive.
Cazorla cannot be played on the wings, it doesn't work he will just drift into the centre. Ramsey playing with Coquelin doesn't work, he doesn't work hard and track back.
Monreal is too slow to be our first choice left back
Giroud is not good enough, but look at the goals he does score, how many times does he score from a wide player getting in behind the defence....a lot.
But Monreal is one of our most improved defenders and in defensive terms deserves to be the starter. The trouble comes when we ask him to do the job a wide player should be doing, or when he's left brutally exposed when the wide player has fucked off to the middle and isn't tracking back. Anyway, there's no point our fullbacks getting forward because we don't have strikers who can be bothered getting in the box for the 1 out of 10 crosses that might find a target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I was talking more about playing the ball on the deck in behind the defence and pinging it across the box, 50% of the time it will be cleared, but another 50% of time either a striker or our midfield will get on the end.
Nothing wrong with Monreal. He earned his spot and kept Gibbs out the first team and rightly so. He didn't have a great game but I can't see Gibbs contributing anything more. He has no end product and just drifts up field totally clueless to what's behind him.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Not convinced myself, as I said before not much has changed from last season and we ended up way behind then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You say those teams could have lost, fact is though they didn't and we did at home as well against a team who aren't all that frankly and we weren't even down to ten men.
Too many excuses from Wenger and his supporters, as you've demonstrated a keeper is only as good as you make him look, if you give him no chance to save something he won't, we just make them look good.
Our own keeper had a mare which didn't help but once again it's a poor start, something you were convinced would be different this season because of a "change in mentality".
What's clear to me is that it's not the mentality that changes things but something Wenger seems very reluctant to rely on, quality new signings, he always pipes out with the you can't always look outside for answers line whenver things go wrong and yet the players who have made the most difference in recent times have been exactly that, top quality players from outside the club.
I'm resigned to another battel for 4th, because in reality without any new quality signings that's all we're good for nothing more, we don't have a manager who can drag and extra 10-15% out of his players or who can outsmart the opposition manager with clever tactics, that leaves us reliant on the signing of top quality players who just make things happen and don't rely on a guy who doesn't frankly know what he's doing on the sidelines when the team is on the field.
I don't think signings would have made the difference, apart from Giroud I don't think we can say that the players aren't good enough
Apart from Cech I don't think we can say there are individual errors, just a lazy, complacent team performance propagated by a manager who was too arrogant to bother putting out a properly prepared game plan.
I thought Gibbs played well pre season, and whilst I agree we sold Monreal short without any proper protection in front of him....he can be ponderous at times and I sometimes think he doesn't do enough to stop crosses coming in on his sideQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Gibbs is worse than Monreal on any level except pace, another example of a player who in 10 yrs has not improved a jot under Wenger tutelage. To me our problem is simply our style of play, too contrived too rehearsed, too predictable and easy to defend against. When all those tricks and flicks come off you applaud, but we are very easy to suss out. Wenger is absolutely obsessed with the aesthetics of his game rather than its results. He can afford to as no one is in charge at this club.
If we'd got a top class striker he might have taken what chances we didn't create, as it is we're stuck with player up front who miss the majority of their opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
From what I saw a quality DM might have stopped the 2nd goal for them as well, so I personally think it would have made a difference.
Thing is with Wenger he needs players who will take the game by the scruff of the neck and he's tactically clueless and doesn't make the right substitutions at the right time either.
I was somewhat suprised people expected us to challenge for the title tbh considering how few changes we've made over the summer, this is typical Wenger though, he always leaves things to chance rather than being well prepared.
Question for all the tactics people(cause i know nothing about that stuff)
Over the past 4 seasons, we have a team, that posess the ball a lot. But struggles to create chances.
Why is this?
Gibbs is a liability IMO, he can't defend for toffee and is injured 95% of the time, he's more of a winger than a full back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I argued with most on here that Cech wasn't the signing that others were making out. He's a good keeper but playing behind the Chelsea defense would have made most keepers look good. The likes of Terry, Ivanovich & Cahill would not allow the free headers in the centre of the box that we often concede, Cech wouldn't have had to come of his line & get caught out. Watch Merts for the second goal, watch his reaction when its blatantly obvious that the lad was going to shoot. Cech isn't used to uncontested shots coming at him from 20 yards.
So 1st lesson Wenger should have seen from Sunday & previous seasons is that Merts is too slow both in pace & in reacting to danger. For a guy his size, he is not dominant enough defending set pieces.
Going forward, he has not learnt from the end of last season. Ozil & Cazorla are nullified when Ramsey's getting in the way & when Giroud is on the pitch. Giroud plus no pace either side means we are so easy to play against. Home games against SUnderland & Swansea at the end of last season were awful, when he tried a bit of pace against West Brom & then Villa in the final - what happened, 8 goals. Great, we think, surely Le Prof has learnt this time but no, lets go back to tippy tappy 40 yards from goal, all trying to play of the statue of Giroud.
I am really not bothered about signing new players - only under a new manager with an ability to change & make the right decisions to win games, rather than selfishly trying to prove a point to all his doubters, will new signings give us a chance of winning the top prizes. Our regular 4th place & 2 cup wins have been won inspite of Wenger not because of him.