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Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Or Euros!Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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This is why i dont get you Zimster, one minte you are saying they are all mercenary's and dont care about the club and just want "mo money" then you say things like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
They dont use Euro's in IndiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
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whats wrong with that - we werent exactly nice to bordeaux and spurs over chamakh and campbellQuote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
There go the goalposts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
I never said they all are, I said a lot of them are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
In this case I think he just wants to play for his hometown club who happen to be the best in the world, it's not about money for him IMO.
RVP isn't about money either.
I actually think that after 8 years with us where we've not delivered what we should, he's entitled to a move personally. I think that in a more successful team his game could go to another level.
Bullsh*tQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Not even close to being the same mate. We did that privately and as properly as the situation allowed. We didnt spend 3 years in the press essentially tapping the player up, we didnt have our players releasing statements saying they want to come to us, we idnt have Seaman putting an Arsenal shirt in them at a party and we certainly didnt have our best gayboy CB stating how his best friend wants to join himQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan B'stard
I think they are bitterly disappointed that they let him go for peanuts and now we're demanding big money for him and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!
He may have Barca DNA but we should milk those c*nts for all they are worth.
Can't wait for the next one. We've got them two nippers from them this summer haven't we? Lol.
Yeah, I can't help but think we poached a few more just to piss Barca off a little more; they've got good potential no doubt but would we be as willing to take a few a year if we wanted Barca's good will? I doubt it.
If Cesc does stay, I hope he puts in a better shift compared to last season. I know it's impossible to be certain, but there were times when I didn't think his heart was completely in it, and as captain he wasn't setting the example as he should have been doing. I know he's not a Roy Keane type captain who'll be in your face and bark orders etc, but in the past he led by example by continually demanding the ball, and acting as the hub of all our attacks. Last season, especially at the tail end of the season when we needed him to be on form, he performed really poorly, and just seemed to be coasting through games. If he does stay, we need him to be totally focused on Arsenal, and if he can't be then it's either best to sell him or keep him out of the team, because he's no use to us playing like he did last season.
The fact that he has not put in a transfer request is more to do with the fact that he would lose his signing on fee (around 2.5 million) and that it is part of a carefully planned strategy to maintain his "good standing" with as many Arsenal fans as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
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Ok, glad thats put to bed then.Quote:
Barcelona have said that they will offer less than the £35m they offered last season for Cesc Fabregas and if Arsenal dont accept, then that will be the end of the matter.
Looks like he is staying guys.
35m.. they really are fucking stingy cunts. I would laugh my arse off if we sell him to Madrid now, just to piss Barca off.
No, no......less than £35mQuote:
Originally Posted by Alias
It's daylight wobberwy!!!
haha yeah i realised once i wrote that. THE MASSIVE CHEAP CUNTS
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Originally Posted by Joker
Hopefully Citeh and Real Madrid come in for him with silly money and he can put in half-arsed performances for them instead. If he's always pining for Barca, it's best to cash in and let him pine elswewhere.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Had enough of Cesc.
Barca saying they won't pay over the odds for Cesc
in that case are the odds that he stays?
there goes our summer spending spree :-(
No the odds id say are Wenger doing as Barca wants as usual (Petit, Overmars, Henry etc) and sell for how much Barca want rather than how much we wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Wenger told them to sod right off last year. When we sold Petit and Overmars we went on to more success and Henry was on his last legs when we sold him. Ultimately players go if they want and if Cesc won't sign a new contract then Wenger's hand will be forced but he's not taken any crap from them so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
although we should ideally want more........35 mil is not to be sniffed at.......we can do a fair bit with that........we are going to keep hearing it nd every year the price is going to go down as I cant see Cesc put in the kind of shift that is going to make his price sky rocket
Absolutely, it will pay for GW's get together in August.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
When Henry was bought he was still one of the world's best players, he did also score a few for Barca and won the CL with them, the price they paid for a player of his level was shocking IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Wenger before we sold Petit and Overmars reiterated the fact they were not for sale, in the end they went....but he didn't want to sell them.
What happens afterwards doesn't change the fact that Barca got what they wanted, not us.
With Cesc they kicked up a fuss and we as good as gave them Van Bronckhorst, we've got a history of giving into them tbh.
With Cesc they hold all the aces unfortunately, he's desperate to go back and they know that...we also know next year he'll be worth less if we hold onto him. Our only chance is to get someone else to bid for him.
We held onto to Henry for one more year and lost 31 million in the end, we've held onto Cesc for one more year, be interesting to see what happens value wise, maybe Wenger asked him for one more year to prove we can succeed and thus will be forced to sell him cut price after making an agreement last summer.
You're always going to spin everything to make Wenger look like an idiot.
You clearly hate him and the club.
Henry was past his best when we sold him, he did score for Barca but was nowhere near as prolific as he'd been for us.
You seem to be simultaneously complaining that we sell players and that we hold on to them too long :shrug:
Whatever fits your agenda I guess.
Henry was Barcas top scorer in his first season there and then hit 30+ the 2nd season when they won the treble.
Dont think selling Henry was the problem, selling him for £16m was.
I mean seriously, wtf? His left foot is worth that alone. Barca must have been laughing their heads off they got him that cheap.
Conversely you've always got some spin to make him look good and yeah can't really stand the guy these days, he's done great things in the past...but that was a long time ago and I'm sick and tired of him and his ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
As for hating the club sorry but that's BS.
Henry when he left was still a top player, Barca wouldn't have wanted him otherwise..face the facts they don't spend money on players they think are past their best. He'd just had a stop start season but he was still one of the best around, we got screwed over at the time....in hindisght it might have been a good deal to you but IMO we should have got a lot more seeing as we could have got 50 million a year before.
I'm not complaining that we sell players, it's always going to happen because we never win anything and barely have any star players it's a fact of life....I'd like it to be different but it is what it is....we've made our bed. If Cesc leaves I won't hold it against him as he's done his bit and Wenger hasn't delivered.....just think we'll end up giving them a deal they want.
Spot on, we sold him and that's fine but the money we got was scandalous for a player of his level......to a club who were desperate to sign him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I've checked the stats, he was nowhere near as prolific as he'd been for us and he was 30, clearly past his peak and never going to go for as much as he would have a couple of years previously. End of the day players have the power these days. We dealt with Barca and Cesc well last summer, every year our position gets weaker and we can't do anything about that so I reckon we should get rid now while we're still in a fairly strong position.
And that is why we think its going to happen with Cesc as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Would not be surprised at all if we sold him for around £20m.
Wenger stands up against Real when they chased Vieira for how many years but for Barca, he bends over for them. A closet BBL me thinks
No, I was very critical of Wenger at the tail end of the season after the embarrassing collapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
But I'm not going to shift goalposts and spin EVERYTHING against him as you do.
Yeah let's be honest, you didn't exactly have any choice, you'd have sounded ridiculous defending him after that calamitous collapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Our transfer policy is flawed IMO, Nasri and Clichy allowed to run down their contracts whilst nothing kids are signed up for 5 years+, we should keep the 1st teamers signed up and if we choose to sell them at least we'll get top money (especially as we seem so relucant to spend).
I agree with Cripps that the likely outcome is that we'll lose Cesc cut price, because we know that next season our position is further weakened. If you're going to try to convince your best players to stay based on a promise of success, then you need to deliver and spend money in the right areas if necessary. As I said Wenger probably had an agreement with Cesc to listen to offers after the magical "one more year".
If we lose Cesc we lose him, but I'd at least hope we get top dollar for him...with Barca seemingly being the only interested party and them coming out and saying he's not worth more than this and that, we're not in a great position. They might well be willing to wait one more season and get him for even less, who knows.
We were duped. At 29 he was worth £50m but after a year he's worth £16m? I don't think so. Barca are trying to pull the same jedi mind trick with Cesc and we better not nod along this time. Henry, like many other strikers Barca have bought, didn't fit into their system. Had nothing to do with him being in decline. We didn't sell him at the right time because we got stiffed on the price and still couldn't win a trophy with Henry at the Emirates before he left. What makes it even more sour is the fact that we have done nothing tangible with the transfer cash. We've downgraded in the striker department and Henry has never been replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
I call it like I see it. When I think Wenger deserves criticism I'll criticise.
I'm just not going to spin every single thing against him out of blind hatred though, that's ridiculous.
1. That simply is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
2. I'd love to play you at poker.
How is that not true:Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
a) He wants to go to Barca
b) If we hold onto him another year his value drops further
c) He's not going to sign another contract let's be realistic
d) We convinced him to stay last summer, we don't know this but Wenger probably convinced him that last season was our year.
e) Seems to have a lot of friends at Barca
Sure we can keep hold of him, but the fact is in the end we'll lose even more money when he inevitably leaves
They want him, we have him.
There'll be less to go on the contract next year but they'll be in greater need of him then unless they cut off their nose to spite their face - which would probably cost them more.
And even at that, we wouldnt need to sell him next year.
This aint pretty, but they are a long way away from holding all the aces.
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Originally Posted by ItsMe
Yes they do, but then they wanted Henry as well and still got him on the cheap. We also know he wants to go back, they could easily unsettle him seeing as he's friends with a load of their players.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Not sure why they would need him more next year, they want him, they don't need him.....the current midfield a few years left, the fact he has one less year left will surely mean they will be wanting to pay even less, next year he'd only have two years left on his contract.