This is going to kill off GW - there is literally nothing left to debate.
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This is going to kill off GW - there is literally nothing left to debate.
Nah, you can't blame the players. They are doing what modern players do. They're in it for the cash and they couldn't give a fuck about anything else. That's why it's so hilarious when one of the greedy bastards sells out to the highest bidder claiming he's ambitious. Look at the chavs and the gypos. Same shit. Mercenaries. Cosseted, pampered, injured if they break a fingernail, can't play more than three times a month, their main focus is renegotiating the contract they just signed. 99% of them are Theo Walcott now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
But even so, you still need a manager that can set out a few tactics and have a plan or two to counter the tactics and planning of the opposition. We do not have that. To repeat, our guy is not capable of fulfilling the most basic football requirements and he hasn't been capable for years. The results and performances demonstrate it. If he'd not had the resources of Arsenal at his disposal and had to manage a mid-table team he'd have been relegated time and again. BUT, he's a genius when it comes to shovelling cash at his bosses and lying to and misdirecting the fans so they don't string him up.
He's had 10 seasons to prove he's not an old hack faking it. How many more does he get before the fans at least find a single voice and turn against him? The owners never will, so it will have to be the fans who drive the old fraud out.
Well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Rashford or Pele, who was the greatest?
Sam Allardyce - how unappreciated is this genius of a man?
FIFA - now that it has been cleaned up and is corruption free, can Azerbaijan finally get a World Cup?
So many things.
Wenger...
Good determination, good togetherness, good spirit.
We fought to the end, had a lot of the ball. We can avoid the goals with better defending.
We do not want to analyse individuals (Theo Walcott), come to you own conclusions.
It is disappointing, we must prepare for the next game and come back stronger.
(This is post Spuds game from next week btw, but I put it here because there's no thread for that yet)
Wenger is to blame, but I have to say he's also built a squad of gutless players, who never deliver when the chips are down.
IMO as well as a new manager we need a bit of an overhaul in the squad, we need a quality CB, someone with some sort of leadership quality, a DM (not an unknown like Elneny - hasn't played much but hasn't looked great either), we need a top class striker, a top class winger and a bit of a clearout.
We really need a few players who are willing to stand up and be counted, this is of course Wenger's fault for once again putting together a team full of what I can only call pansies (much like him).
Sanchez has gone right off the boil I have to say, but at the end of the day you need more than one or two players, you need to have other players who can contribute and perform when others are off form.
The day Wenger moves on will be a great day in the history of Arsenal because we won't have to put up with this rubbish week in week out anymore.
How many of us are in our jobs for the money?
I'd hazard a guess that 99.99% of us are, and we've all had inept clueless bosses but we still have the wherewithal to pull out our fingers and do our job to the best of our ability.
Believe me I absolve Wenger from nothing, the guy is completely inept. But the players are cunts, I am in a job where literally I could get away with doing fuck all but I have the pride in myself not to do that because I'm paid at the end of the day.
So I cannot release the players from blame. They are cunts.
This is supposed to be 'fast food'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Hurry the fuck up.
You're rare then because most of the people I come across are absolutely shit at their jobs, without sanction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I am not talking about GW. I am talking about people I have spoken to, or heard around the stadium and/or London. It just amazes me tbf..Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Leave Letters out of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Those are tourists. They're on holiday so are bound to be upbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
He is considered a legend and rightly so but he lost deity status a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Tbf, they were Chelsea supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
It should not have come to this but it's time for the fans to have their say and let be known enough is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
You mean a Wengxit?Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Awkward. I wonder if Thierry will say that when he strolls into work tomorrow...Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
It's a combination of both. I'd have started with that attacking line up but I wouldn't have dropped Merts for Gabriel. When you concede three easy goals and experienced defenders are embarrassed by a kid that's making his Premier League debut, it shouldn't be a mystery to why heads dropped in that game. We've been piss poor for months and pubbing it to victory but the difference is we haven't been leaking goals. We did score two today. Not the best game from Ozil but with a goal and assist, that should have been enough for the victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Gabriel and Kos were all over the place today because Coquelin couldn't be in 3 places at one time. A tiny flaw in Wenger's fucked up midfield policy. Coquelin must get mightily dispirited when he's abandoned like that in the centre. Bellerin and Monreal shouldn't get off lightly either, their passing was atrocious. But really, the absolute standout waste of space was Theo Walcott. Again. A nothing layer when there's no money on the table. It's such a shame we didn't sell him or loan him to Leicester or the spuds so we could have fucked their seasons up. Although neither manager there would have been crazy enough to play him after the first two outings. Can you imagine if we did bring Simeone in? He'd have a heart attack the minute he saw Walcott on the training pitch.
They don't have the balls to call out the real culprit.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Looking at the first goal, can you really blame anyone else but Gabriel for not clearing that ball? Mistakes were made in the build up and everyone involved can only blame themselves. I can't blame the midfield for Theo losing the ball there. You just have to get the basics right. Sanchez should have been marking better and tracking better and Gabriel should have made contact with that ball to clear it. When it's as simple as making a clearance, you can't blame the midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
2nd goal...how again can you blame anyone but the CB's for not picking up that kid on his debut? No one else can be blamed.
3rd goal ok. That's the only goal where the midfield were nowhere to be found. But it's hard to pass the buck the other goals. Collective errors in all of it but excuses can't be made for the errors.
To add to the above, i have to say Ramsey is a huge part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We miss a player like Carzola immensely.
Ramsey just doesn't understand the role he has to do in the middle, he is like a energetic bunny, but without any kind of substance. Thats why Carzola is so vital, he does the simple things well and in general keeps our play ticking over.
I also don't understand why Campbell was suddenly dropped?? It baffles me why Wenger is not playing him when he was so useful, worked hard and scored/assisted.
We have some gaping problems, and no immediate solutions.....not sure what is in store next or what Wenger could do to the immediate problem or Ramsey.
This could get me banned, but years ago when I posted as Ashburton, I said then that Wenger was passed it, well, I was bloody right! I will say it again, his early success came from inheriting the best back five this country has ever seen! Wenger out.....please!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Of course you can blame Theo for the first goal - WTF? And Alexis was asleep for the second. Yes, the defenders have to do better too. of course, but we defend as a team and we were down to 10 today due to yet another Theo no-show so it's going to be more difficult to avoid being pulled to pieces. Nobody is saying Gabriel played well, nor did any of the back four in fact. But if the midfield can't be arsed then half the defensive strategy goes out the window. Coquelin actually played quite well today. Hopelessly outgunned by Hernia and Snidey, but he was all over the middle trying to get tackles in, covering the huge gaps left by Ramsey. It was a joke. The manager sent that team out there with nothing and during the game he gave them nothing either. You get a proper manager in there and suddenly we have a midfield, suddenly we can defend, suddenly we are taking care of the basics. But as it stands, of course you are going to get mistakes all over the place if the manager can't be arsed to do his job. Mistakes are one thing, but a lack of effort is simply unforgivable. Theo Walcott is a fucking disgrace, a thief. And Alexis will be heading down that road if he doesn't pull himself up sharpish. Only a complete fuck up like Wenger could ruin a player like Alexis and he's doing it. We MUST get this dinosaur out of the club before anything else can be fixed on the pitch. Pure complacency and a massive lack of ambition, that's what Wenger gives us. And nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You were absolutely right and I hold my hands up. It shouldn't get you banned to tell the truth. I would have been one of the stupid cocks singing his praises. But we all wake up in the end. Or most do. That cock Ty is still on there backing the manager. Maybe he gets special points for loyalty and if he comes top of the loyalty league his prize will be to let the Arsenal board and Wenger literally shit on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJP9tNqGrzo
World class shrink required. Too right. And a straitjacket to cart the old goat out of here.
You're making excuses for Gabriel and pointing out other players failing to do the basics when Gabriel simply had to clear the ball for that first goal. There isn't anything to think about tactically, he doesn't have to worry about the positioning of Ramsey or anyone else for that matter. It's just get to the ball first and clear it. It's that simple. If everyone does their own job properly, the goal is prevented but you can't keep banging on about Ramsey and Walcott but then make excuses for Gabriel. It's nonsense. When the ball bounces right in front of you but you fuck up the clearance, regardless of what happened for that scenario to occur, you've fucked up if you can't make a simple clearance. It's bullshit to point to anyone else on the pitch. A collection of errors happen in the lead up but each man has to take responsibility for their failures and not make excuses. That applies to Ramsey and Walcott. I'm not excusing their failings in the build up but it seems as though you are for Gabriel. Honestly, he is not good and if that were Merts playing, I can't see you making the same excuses. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say that wasn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
100% agree with this. Only thing that went to plan was that we made money from the game, and it will be added to the huge pot of cash reserves. I'm done with this club until they make some big fucking changes. Supported them through thick and thin, think they give a fuck? Absolutely not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHA_PDC6mQ4&feature=youtu.be
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Soccer AM fanzone thing. BOOM!
No, it's the other way around. I already said Gabriel (and the rest of the back four) were full of mistakes today. So that's not an excuse. You're for Merts even though he's well past his sell by date and there's no future whatsoever having him near the team. So Mert's replacement is the target for your criticism. But Kos was just as poor as Gabriel today. Certainly, Gabriel should have cleared the ball. But how can you say if he just does his job and clear it then we don't concede but then try to airbrush the obvious fact that if Theo doesn't set the move up in the first place, through his sheer laziness, we also avoid conceding? It's a catalogue of shite, not just the last act. Anyway, I'm not for Gabriel, I'm for anyone bar Merts. The season's gone now so it's even more important to get somebody else in there, what do we have left to lose? Whether it is Gabriel or Chambers or anyone. I'm hoping (stupidly) for big changes next season and there's absolutely no way players like Mertesacker and Flamini can be part of that. Giroud either, in truth. And certainly not Walcott. We can't go forward with the second tier junk (comparatively at the top level) if we want to move on. And I'm not criticising Ramsey as a player, I'm saying the old fool in charge obviously feels it's fine for Ramsey to abandon his post and wander all over the place. There's no discipline. Nobody taking Ramsey to one side and telling him what his job is - or worse, some old fool taking him aside and actively helping him fuck things up. You only mentioned some of the players I criticised, the ones that help make the point you are trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'll take the most stable CB partnership over some obsession to bring in someone that is not up to scratch. If Merts was having a mare of a season, i'd understand the need for a change. Also, Kos is overrated. He only started playing well once Merts was in the side.
Ramsey was utter shit today
get rid in the summer.
what is his best position? Shit in CM, shit as a winger. What does he do?
13/14 Ramsey is a long way away
So you'd build the defence around Merts? You can't be serious. I'm not looking to scrap wins against Bournemouth. I remember the whole point of the stadium move. A world class venue to host a world class team that is competing at the top of the game. Now while Gabriel might not be suitable for that task, we don't know yet because he's been a bit player, it would be crazy to pretend Mertesacker fits the bill. Why would we settle for a player like that if we have any serious ambitions? So he hasn't had a mare of a season. Is that the standard now? He's slow, he slows the game down and he's an accident waiting to happen against any team with a bit of pace. We can do a hell of a lot better than him can't we? We can do better than plenty of other players in the squad too. It all depends what we want. Mediocrity or excellence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Having Mertesacker as a benchmark is a joke
He was lucky to stay on the field too. I'm done with him, he can't pass, can't tackle and can't finish, he offers this team nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I don't mind Merts, he's far from perfect of course but I think he generally tends to work well with Kos. Easy to say with hindsight I know but we probably needed to keep the settled pairing for today, as it wasn't really the time to experiment. United didn't really have much to offer up front, they just profited from some dodgy defending. Their tails went up when they sensed the panic in our ranks.
We need better from everyone though, apart from Ozil and Cech not a single player has been worth a dime since Christmas. This time last year we were winning near enough every week, now we're in the title race and suddenly we can't buy a win. It's quite pathetic how textbook this all is, this club just can't deal with the pressure and expectation to achieve. Other teams thrive on it, we just bury ourselves in the sand and come out when it's over.
Terrible post. So after that shower of shite you'd start Gabriel with Kos again? I said nothing about building the defence around Merts, it just seems sensible to me to play the most in form and stable partnership until the season blows over. Now isn't the time to try and bed in a player looking out of form just because.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wrong way around again. Why go with the has-been snail until the end of the season? What then? Kick off the new season with a new partnership? Why? This season is done, the remaining games could be used to try to get something we could actually use next season into place. It should have been done months earlier. The shower of shite you refer to has been par for the course all season. There have been a handful of games where we've played well but that's it. Merts has made just as many mistakes as Gabriel and the former has had much more opportunity to sort his shit out. Mistakes aside (both are guilty and so is Kos), it's not difficult to see Gabriel is the more accomplished defender with a possible future at the club whereas the German is shot and has none. Admittedly, the turd chef Wenger has made his mark in much the same way as he stamped everything good out of Chambers, but that applies to every player at Arsenal and there's nothing that can be done about it while the old goat is here. Even if Merts was on par with Gabriel, the pace issue alone seals the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ing_to_goal#90