Leicester have reportedly identified Troy Deeney as his replacement should he go.
I hope we have a contingency if he doesn't fancy the move.
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Leicester have reportedly identified Troy Deeney as his replacement should he go.
I hope we have a contingency if he doesn't fancy the move.
I'd even take Defoe :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
No you wouldn't.
:tumbleweed:
England fly out at 11:30am - Vardy has to make a decision by then apparently. Not sure why. What happens if he doesn't make a decision by then? Do we automatically withdraw our offer or does Woy sit on his own middle finger and start spinning rapidly?
Bet he says no...
I seriously doubt this will happen although I am naturally sceptical about transfer things till the ink is dry.
But no really means yes, right? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Sanogo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djpMef3hdCAQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The decision has probably been made. Just a case of when the official channels put out their statements.
Hard one for Vardy to be fair, he's worshipped at Leicester, will be guaranteed a 1st team spot and is at the best team in the country right now and in the CL, however it's possible Leicester may struggle next season and he may get about 3 goals all season.
The alternative is to move to a club who won't win anything but will get top 4 and thus get to play in the CL and thus getting his one move, possibly before people discover he's a one season wonder, in which case this opportunity wouldn't come up again.
If we were a winning team I think the decision would be easier.
There isn't even the slightest chance of this guy being a one season wonder. Not if he keeps his wits about him and doesn't fall prey to the London, I think they call it lifestyle though I can't imagine why. He also has to avoid our injury curse. A player who played 36 of 38 last season and only missed 2 because of suspension. Cannon fodder for our fitness gurus. I guess he'll want to earn for all 4 years of the contract? Well he won't do that for long if he comes here and sticks his feet up. That's not the type of player he is anyway.
Why not he scored 5 goals in 36 games the season before and 5 goals in 29 and 16 goals in 41 games when they were playing in the Championship (a much lower level), therefore his record doesn't support the fact he couldn't be a one season wonder.
Yes we're hearing comparisons with Wright though Wrighty was a bit younger and had been scoring for Palace a good few seasons before he signed for us, in the PL (or Division 1 as it was called then).
When we signed Wright he was already an accomplished finisher for several seasons so he had a record of goals (he'd scored a lot in Division 2 and other than his 1st season in Division 1 had been scoring quite a few in a team who certainly didn't win the league or come near it), Vardy just doesn't.
I'm personally very worried Vardy has had his day, let's not forget Leicester surprised everyone last season with how well they did, I can't see that happening again either.
If he was younger then fair enough, but 29 is pretty much peak age for a footballer, especially one who relies on pace, so this is as good as it gets for him.
I'd be absolutely amazed if Leicester get anywhere near repeating what they did this season (that said, I'm absolutely amazed by what they did do this season).Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Next season will be a real dogfight to stay in the top 4, I can't see Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd and City all being as poor as they were the season just gone. Spurs and us will be in the mix again.
Leicester aren't going to repeat what they did - you say yourself you think Vardy is a one season wonder, if so then how could they possibly repeat it?
Arsenal are clearly a bigger club than Leicester, it's obviously an attractive move for a player who was playing in the non-league a couple of years ago. If we'd had a striker in the form Vardy was in we'd have won the league last season, if he believes that he can help us push on and win the title next year - which he might, and he might be right - then he might decide to move.
The only reason to stay really is to be the hero at Leicester, and that's not to be sniffed at.
Edit: IF we were a winning team? This is the first season in 3 where we've not won anything!
Yes so would I, I'd also be amazed if he gets anywhere near as many goals next season, hence the one season wonder comment. So yes this could be the only chance he has for a move before it goes pear-shaped, but Leicester fans won't take kindly to that and to be honest we don't seem that popular with opposing teams from what I've heard so I'm not sure how big a fan he would be of our setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
As for winning, you can sugar coat it, but we are known as a team who fail to deliver, people know us as that, if Chelsea or Man City or even Man U moved for him I'm sure it would have been an easier decision, the fact is we're not as attractive as we use to be simply because we haven't won the title in years, have totally bottled it time and time again when well placed and frankly aren't really competitive in the CL, 10 years ago this move would have been done and dusted but that's no longer the case as we're not the club we were.
I don't want him here anyway, so I hope he turns us down because I'm just worried he'll struggle for goals next season, it's not the 1st time we would have season a player with no kind of goal record who had one good season and never repeated it, we've had a few ourselves in Ramsey and Adebayor and to be fair to those two at least they were younger and could improve and dare I say it probably have more natural talent than him, even if they aren't all that either.
I think what might have happened here is Wenger has got a sniff of the clause in his contract and found the fact he won't cost too much attractive to him.
I've heard a lot people make the statement that if we had someone like Vardy or a better striker we would've won the league for sure. I don't get how that would be the case given how fragile we were in defence, how poor our central midfield looked at times and how awful our play became the further the season went on. Far more than a striker was needed and still is. A new manager is still the only way we can win the league and challenge in Europe as a key starting point, no matter what players we bring in during the summer and even if we attempt to change our style.
Right, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
But that's not going to happen this summer, so we can just strengthen the squad as much as possible.
Absolutely, Wenger is here for another season at least, although it's probably his last. Happy to see improved players added to the squad wherever possible because we can't stand still. Hopefully the next manager can benefit from that - although another season without a PL could well mean a Sanchez or Ozil departing next summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm
Don't hold your breath, they've said they'll offer him a new contract and that he shows no signs of slowing down, he may well be here another 4 years at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
He hasn't got a solid history and you make a good point about Ade and Ramsey in another post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Time will tell if this goes through. Hopefully he turns out to be the sort of striker we need. But I worry that he'll be too dependent on service. When we're going through the motions and we come up against a solid defence, we'll need him to pull off a goal that saves our bacon.
I am surprised by all this talk of Vardy.
This is very unlike Arsenal/Arsene (same thing).
I'm not sure if I want him here or not and I cannot see a reason to leave Leicester, although in 12 months that might change.
I don't know what to think and would not be disappointed either way.
According to Ornstein he's still weighing up the offers, has this all just been a ruse by his agent to get a bigger contract at Leicester?
I'm not sure many people actually watched Vardy play last season. If Giroud had played half as well we'd have been laughing come the end of the season. Having a pacey and energetic striker up top who can finish is hardly a problem. The real problem will be committing to something other than that tippy tappy shit we fell deeper and deeper into last season. If we're going to play that then Messi wouldn't make a difference. But assuming we want to play better football than we did last season, hopefully that's a very safe assumption, we're likely to see better individual performances all around as a result. But we need to sort out that style of play. Crucial.
Doubtful because Ranieri wouldn't have helped that along by confirming our interest. I'd love him to come here but if he decides to stay at Leicester then you'd have to give him credit for that, minus the extra cash he'll be getting. Huge decision for him either way. Hopefully the chavs or mancs don't breeze in and nick him. If he goes somewhere other than us the what a cunt, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
They'd probably want him to stay but if Wenger decides he's had enough, that will be that. 68 by the time the season ends, so retirement is probably on his mind. No-one knows for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The longer it drags on the more likely it's going to be a no.
I don't think we really in the mood to fuck around this summer.
There were enough games where we failed to score or a goal here and there would have made a difference to suggest that a top striker in good form would have made a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
As GP said, Wenger's here next year, if he's going to sign big to try and go out with a bang then great, there's no downside to that.
I personally don't get the impression he's had enough, neither did Gazidis from his comments, so I'm expecting a few more years at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I doubt it, he only signed a new deal a few months ago. The clause was put in for a reason because he obviously knew there would be interest and an opportunity to further himself financially and increase his profile. Leicester probably can't/won't match our wages so it's really just down to what he fancies for himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Would've made a difference but how much we don't know and there were more than enough problems beyond that left unaddressed would have left us in the exact same boat. Given the state of our rivals last season the squad we had should've been enough to win the league but Wenger's management meant that isn't possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Signing players isn't what will make the difference. Ranieri showed that. He played the way the players preferred to. Management of the players and squad are the defining factors and account for the energy, focus and dealing with pressure as it increases. Wenger isn't able to do that anymore. The players coming in are purely there for the next manager to benefit from, should Wenger leave.
We don't know how much difference, no. My feeling though is it would have won us the league. I may be wrong.
Kano speaks the truth.
Perhaps a striker converting the chances would have made the difference. Who knows.
It was a combined clusterfuck by our manager of all kinds of things which was the problem, so even if we had found a striker to take those chances, he'd play him out of position eventually, in favour of walking the ball into the net. What would Vardy do when faced with 10 men behind the ball?? Answer, is what happened when we played Leicester. We starved him of space in behind, and he became completely obsolete....which is what will happen if he signs for us.
If we sign someone and start playing counter-attack powerball, it is absolutely nailed on we'll revert back to tippy-tappy come the end of the season. Happens every year....
Pre-season last year, we were playing fast counter-attacking football....look at the end of the season.
How the hell could a striker converting the chances not have made a difference?!
Before last season we were all saying we needed a top striker, now we're saying it wouldn't have made much difference anyway?
EDIT: The poster boy for our problems was the Southampton at home, Ozil put chance after a chance on a plate, no-one was able to convert them. That's 2 points right there, if we had someone who would. There are plenty of other examples.
No we're saying it still probably wouldn't have won us the league because the once it became clear the other big teams weren't involved, this squad should've had enough to win. But we didn't even last the course in terms of challenging, that's why it comes down to more than one player. Giroud has more pedigree than Vardy early last season. But it was absolutely clear that despite having the best chance to challenge properly for the title, Wenger isn't up to. Better striker or not. Too many other problems all over the squad. You don't just look back at a scenario, drop someone in and it all works out how you retrospectively imagine it to. Lack of energy in games, terrible football, sloppy passing, stupid goals, Flamini starting for weeks on end. The list goes on. That isn't going to change next season either. Hopefully he leaves gracefully at the end of next season.
Yeah this. Yes there were other problems in other areas of our squad namely not having a fucking replacement for Santi but with all our traditional rivals faltering just having a top striker would have been enough to see us over the line last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
There was a stat posted on here at the end of the season which said that had all shots which hit the woodwork counted as goals (applied throughout the league) we would have won the league. We create so many guilt edge chances every game and struggle to finish them; I'm sick and tired of it.
Liverpool had Suarez and Sturridge scoring for fun, over a hundred goals and still didn't win it. There's more to it than that.
And given all the frustration around the manager and his set-up, it feels like a nonsense to sweep all of that away in the name of one type of player not being in the team.
The stats are misleading. There are way too many games where it looks like we're struggling to just get a shot on target. We'd be waiting well into the first half or even 2nd just to test their keeper. There aren't many games where we're missing sitter after sitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
And you didn't even mention injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano