To say he thought a draw was a fair result was laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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To say he thought a draw was a fair result was laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If there is no mass refusal to renew season tickets if we do scrape in the top four and the board see that as enough to give Wenger another contract....you'd have to question what is going on with Fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And yes i think everyone is risk adverse, the fans don't want to take a stand and want the comfortable life of paying through the nose to keep up the grim tradition of match day attendance. The manager is risk adverse for the reasons i have described and the board are risk adverse because they know they are getting a certain standard with Wenger and don't want to risk falling below it in order to pierce the malaise and push for more.
I have less contempt for the fans though because it's only their own money they are wasting.
All of last season's arguments rebooted. And the season before that. And the one before that...
I have to keep reminding myself about my attitude and expectations this time around. Don't worry about something that probably isn't going to change for years. Hold out and enjoy the 3 or 4 decent performances we'll put in this year as a team and the scattered individual performances that are worth watching. Is that worth £2K? not a fucking chance! But considering I'm pirating the shit out of the whole season, I guess I'm getting a good deal. Just need a prawn sandwich now and I'll happily eat it because no way am I getting wound up like those AFTV performers any more.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It makes a difference in a year like this because of the contract issue. It gives the board and Wenger less scope to spin if the performances are no better.
In 2014 we had the FA cup and the promise of saying "well see how Wenger does now he has money to spend", now we know the FA cup will not be anywhere near enough and the money has not made a difference. It will be harder for the board to excuse giving Wenger a contract, and just as hard for Wenger to justify taking it given that we know that this season and the previous two things will turn ugly far quicker than they ever used to.
From my point of view, i decided at the end of last season not to renew my red membership, snub any offers to go and watch games from friends/work mates who have season tickets and can't go. So from my point of view i am not even giving the club the insignifcant amount of money i used to, so my response if we are told in May will be let's take the merry go round for another spin will be a resigned shrug of the shoulders
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37719002
Spot on tbf. The sooner the better. 4 more years would be great.
Just as well no-one cares what David Seaman thinksQuote:
Originally Posted by Kano
There is a point to this article though and it explains a lot, i think what is happening at Manchester United has made both the fans and the board petrified of change.
What seems to be forgotten though is that it was Ferguson himself who caused a lot of the problems, he handed over a squad that really was unfit for purpose. The last title they had was all based on getting one good season out of Robin Van Persie at his peak, since then Van Persie has gone and Rooney had rapidly deteriorated as a player.
Kroenke was lavish in his praise recently too, all looking positive on that front
Why not keep Wenger, fuck it. Could be worse, could be better. There's more than enough retards online that care enough to cry and whinge at every single thing that goes wrong. I'll let them have the cardiacs about it now. It's no longer life or death for me, just something I can enjoy and come back to every week. New manager or not, it won't alter my involvement, so sign up Wenger by all means.
The issue is that it's kicking the matter into the long grass, do they imagine if Wenger is so great that replacing him is going to get any easier the longer they leave it?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I would probably make more effort to watch Arsenal if i thought there was a glimmer of hope involved, at the moment the right parties are making the right noises because this season hasn't been a disaster thus far. By this time last season we had lost seven games in all competitions (having played only one game more) so it is hard for their to be more than utterances of discontent (that said even the police academy cast of Arsenal TV are not being taken for fools, they aren't seeing change and know that claiming otherwise is setting yourself up for a fall).
If this season goes like last season (finishing 2nd being a ridiculously deceptive position for a season of underachievement) than it will be interesting to see what Wenger does, when Kroenke like you say lavishes praises on Wenger it's a Pontius Pilate act.....they don't want to take the responsibility for who the manager is and they want it to be Wenger who chooses whether he goes or stays, and I would love to see the smug complacent grins wiped off their faces if Wenger decides he's had enough of the bad atmosphere when things aren't going well and goes.
As much as Wenger himself is just as responsible for what's going on, the board and the owner are more than happy to have him as a patsy.
I've accepted that he's going to sign a new deal. I did think he'd walk but I just don't see it anymore. I'm beyond the point caring now though, we need to move on from him but he'll go when he and only he decides the time is right. I'm not going to waste my energy anymore bemoaning something that's been discussed for at least 5 years. We know he's past it but nothing is going to be done about it. That's our club for you.
We scored one, they scored one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
Seems fair to me.
Something will be done when the fans will do something about it. When 70% of the crowd still treat Wenger like he is a saint who can do no wrong, it is futile just blaming the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I feel we need to move on from him, like plenty of others do, but I sure as hell don't care enough about the situation to do something tangible about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Those who feel strongly enough about it should protest and wage war on the club but they don't, because the truth is Arsenal fans are as much in a state of malaise as the club.
Only when people stop going en masse will things change.
That said, if we had the start so far under a new manager no-one would be whining. But I do understand why people are.
The manager is still the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie