Match Reaction vs Lincoln City

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Don't know about that. Can you not speak up when the complacency of another person is impacting your relationship with a club you have supported since before they were born? Is it not okay to get frustrated with someone who is a right mug but can't see it? And that's to assume these people even have an opinion on the matter to disagree with. I don't think a lot of the home fan base has much of a football opinion at all. When asked to cheer they shut their mouths. When asked to protest they scuttle to their designated seats, and shut their mouths. I think I'd be a stranger at a home match now. I wouldn't understand the polite and sanitised environment or the shiny people that have replaced what I remember, warts and all. Seems to me we are looking at one element of the "new" Arsenal in the hope it will protest against another element. But they appear to be the same thing, on the surface at least. Arsenal Fav TV and Twatter and all those places have good points and bad points, but what they inevitably do is inflate the voice of minorities who make their demands in what I perceive to be a bemused majority wondering what all the fuss is about.

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But it all boils down to one thing, it's clear as daylight Wenger is inept....even in a business sense for the club......the club's profit seems to have mainly come from TV deals.

10-2 aggregate defeats against Bayern Munich are not signs of progression, they aren't even signs of stagnation....i don't think we are even stagnating anymore we are regressing.

Why is it then incumbent on fans to take up time they'd rather be spending in the pub, or with their spouses and kids holding giant placards, being sworn at and threatened by fellow fans who are cult of personality types to state the bloody obvious.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

You made it clear that the best way to protest is for people not to go to matches....(laughably holding yourself up as a model of the perfect arsenal fan)

And for people who have ritually gone for years, for whom it is a social occasion....to suddenly go from that to not going is a big sacrifice

As for active protest?.....with the best will in the world.....it's not for some people. Do you take to Parliament square with a placard everytime the government of the day does something you find to be a fundamental injustice.

NQ finds government in general a fundamental injustice......by that token he'd be camped out in protest all the time.

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It's the opposite. I don't want to consume their product. No, no, no, no, no. But they don't understand that word. In their soapy suds and lemon sparkle brains all they hear is, yes please. The very act of protest would be to legitimise them. I ignore them in every way, shape, form up to the point where I could actually end up in prison. And if more people did that there would be no need for protests because the target of the protest would simply dissolve into the fantasy that it actually is. The illusion would disappear. But hit the streets shouting "government out!" and if somebody walks up to you and asks, who are you protesting against, you answer... DOH!

With Arsenal, a while back, I guess I kidded myself I was somehow involved with the club. The owners played up that illusion too. Oh sure, the fans are important. Because they needed us a lot more back then, before the marketers got a free pass to subvert everything they surveyed. Slowly reality has emerged. But anyway, I wanted to consume the product and in some ways I still do. But that'll change pretty fast when Wenger announces his new contract. I'd have too much self respect to stick around after that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

But it all boils down to one thing, it's clear as daylight Wenger is inept....even in a business sense for the club......the club's profit seems to have mainly come from TV deals.

10-2 aggregate defeats against Bayern Munich are not signs of progression, they aren't even signs of stagnation....i don't think we are even stagnating anymore we are regressing.

Why is it then incumbent on fans to take up time they'd rather be spending in the pub, or with their spouses and kids holding giant placards, being sworn at and threatened by fellow fans who are cult of personality types to state the bloody obvious.

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I guess because you hope they are the last element of the club that gives a damn about more than the money. But if they don't give a damn about anything at all - which is what seems to be the case for the majority - then yes. What you end up with is a small group shouting, "Charge! Over the top!", and the majority going, "Not really, I can afford it."

All talk anyway. Big protests and empty stadiums won't be happening. The tactic of the majority is to try to get the media onside but that's a damp squib too. Wenger has covered all his bases, you can't fault him for that.

We don't sit back and do nothing because we aren't enraged, or because we don't want to see major change. We eventually sit back because holding back the ocean is a pretty fruitless task. And that leaves resentment and anger, and that brings us back to GW.

WENGER OUT!