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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Where is this information about him staying coming from? Why isn't this being considered as the regular media bullshit?

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Is it any less credible that soneone who belongs to a supporters trust claiming to be an in the know having insider information that Wenger had decided to go ages ago?.

No we don't know anything for definite, we have Pulis who has said Wenger has told him he wants to stay (is he really going to tell him his true intentions).

However at the same time we know the media are putting out stories indirectly from the club, the Sanchez leak, the "they've never had it so good" narrative etc.

So yeah we don't know, the one year contract thing seems to be bullshit.

But given everything Wenger himself has said in press conferences, given everything anyone who has any kind of inside access to the club has said.....Wenger has no intention of going anywhere and it seems more that the club are doing its best to lay the ground for that decision.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I'm not sure it does show that, a one off outside the top 4 probably wouldn't have been terminal, a prolonged period outside it would have been IMO.

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If he sticks around I think we will be on course for a prolonged period outside of the top 4. He's clearly not up to it anymore and has fierce competition against teams who have better managers and budgets either equal or better than us.

He harps on about the long term future and his decision won't be made on this seasons showing...but I honestly think this is a sign of things to come...I mean it's not like this seasons performance is any different to last seasons, he's spent 100million and if anything we've got worse.

I agree. If he was leaving, I think we'd know by now. Nothing to gain by prolonging it.

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Originally Posted by GP

It's should all be considered as bullshit until an announcement is made.

The board know the fans aren't happy, which is why they wheeled Mr Chips out. They know we want change. If he signs a new deal now, next season could be even worse.

This is the worst it's been in 20 years.

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I think so. I could be getting worked up for nothing. The press are having a field day with our situation and could just be an attempt to whip up more trouble.

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Originally Posted by GP

I agree. If he was leaving, I think we'd know by now. Nothing to gain by prolonging it.

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Yep he's most definitely staying, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed on for 2 more years a good few weeks ago.

We've always known the board doesn't care about the fans, it's disappointing to see Wenger showing the same contempt.

Nothing is ever good enough for you lot! ;)

I do find it amusing the strong possibility that the Keswick family paid for the In Wenger we Trust banner

Reminds me of this https://youtu.be/R_CulXfKuGY

Strong possibility?! Is there any actual basis for that?

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Originally Posted by Letters

Strong possibility?! Is there any actual basis for that?

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The company that flew the banner has stated it was paid for through a company called Jardine Matheson based in Hong Kong.
The Keswick family are on the board of this company.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yep he's most definitely staying, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed on for 2 more years a good few weeks ago.

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If he is staying, I cannot wait to read the statement. Just to see how he can possibly justify himself, when he's completely failed to build a competitive team after so many years of trying. The sort of time most managers these days would die for.

We're in trouble next season if he's still here.

Honestly don't know what he's getting out of this any more. If he goes at the end of the season then while it will have been his worst season with us I still think in time most people will come to recognise what he did for us.
From what I understand Ali stayed in boxing too long and ended up taking some beatings at the end but people still appreciate what he did in his pomp.
If he stays another year though...I don't see how anyone wins out of that.

We got lucky last year with everyone else being so shit. It's troubling that he can't recognise that.

Because he's Afraid of giving up the autonomy and work load he has at Arsenal which totally occupies his entire life

The fan reaction is less important than that, because he believes he can get most back on side and the rest are just malcontents.

And actually, if we win the league next year then he would get people back on side and maybe that's what he's hoping, like some desperate gambler staying at the table thinking he'll cover his losses in the next hand.
Trouble is, we won't and things will just get nastier.

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Originally Posted by GP

We got lucky last year with everyone else being so shit. It's troubling that he can't recognise that.

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That was the window of opportunity we waited the best part of a decade for, yet we couldn't even get close.

Everyone knows he can't deliver anymore and deep down he probably knows it too, him staying would be a purely selfish move to ensure he can maintain a cushty set up.

Going somewhere else where he has no credit is far too much work for him to undertake at this stage of his career and life.

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Originally Posted by Letters

And actually, if we win the league next year then he would get people back on side and maybe that's what he's hoping, like some desperate gambler staying at the table thinking he'll cover his losses in the next hand.
Trouble is, we won't and things will just get nastier.

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Forget about double or nothing, he's been tripling every year and losing each time.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

That was the window of opportunity we waited the best part of a decade for, yet we couldn't even get close.

Everyone knows he can't deliver anymore and deep down he probably knows it too, him staying would be a purely selfish move to ensure he can maintain a cushty set up.

Going somewhere else where he has no credit is far too much work for him to undertake at this stage of his career and life.

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He lives in a bubble....he probably has people like Keswick and Kroenke telling him "Arsene you're the only one who can keep this club going" he genuinely believes he is Atlas.

Because he works hard and does everything in a football sense, he feels under appreciated by the fans and the media....

Even if a Dein put his hand on his shoulder and said "Arsene it's not worth it anymore!" he wouldn't listen to them.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Forget about double or nothing, he's been tripling every year and losing each time.

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Thing is...he must have friends. I know he's still close to David Dein. Surely someone can get through to him and gently suggest that he's not doing himself or anyone else any good.
It's all quite sad, or could be if he stays.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Thing is...he must have friends. I know he's still close to David Dein. Surely someone can get through to him and gently suggest that he's not doing himself or anyone else any good.
It's all quite sad, or could be if he stays.

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That old poster Ashburton 2006 gently suggested years ago that Wenger was shit and needed to go, but he became an outcast :( :bow:

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Originally Posted by Chippy

That old poster Ashburton 2006 gently suggested years ago that Wenger was shit and needed to go, but he became an outcast :( :bow:

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If he suggested it in 2006 i can imagine he was ridiculed.

It would have been a bit like saying Federer was terrible in 2006 after winning 9 out of the last 14 grand slams

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

If he suggested it in 2006 i can imagine he was ridiculed.

It would have been a bit like saying Federer was terrible in 2006 after winning 9 out of the last 14 grand slams

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It was suggested in around 2012 TBH :)

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Originally Posted by Chippy

That old poster Ashburton 2006 gently suggested years ago that Wenger was shit and needed to go, but he was raging spurs fan :( :bow:

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Quite.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

It was suggested in around 2012 TBH :)

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then you are talking nonsense, this place was majority anti Wenger even five years ago.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

If he suggested it in 2006 i can imagine he was ridiculed.

It would have been a bit like saying Federer was terrible in 2006 after winning 9 out of the last 14 grand slams

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I can't do a Tennis equivalent, but I can with boxing.

It's like somebody questioning Amir Khan's defence and chin just before facing Prescott. Khan hadn't faced any heavy hitters and once he did he was exposed and knocked out.

Some of the criticism about Wenger years ago may have been a bit OTT but a lot of truth in what was said back then. I still remember the backlash when I said Wenger was a poor tactician.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

then you are talking nonsense, this place was majority anti Wenger even five years ago.

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Ashburton was often accused of being a Spurs fan. He's not talking rubbish. Most people here wanted Wenger in around 2012.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I can't do a Tennis equivalent, but I can with boxing.

It's like somebody questioning Amir Khan's defence and chin just before facing Prescott. Khan hadn't faced any heavy hitters and once he did he was exposed and knocked out.

Some of the criticism about Wenger years ago may have been a bit OTT but a lot of truth in what was said back then. I still remember the backlash when I said Wenger was a poor tactician.

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Really?....I always thought that was a given (that Wenger was at the very most basic tactically)

You could always get at Federer's back hand even back in 2006, and on a slow surface like Clay Nadal used to Muller Federer this way

(proved by the fact that Federer faced Nadal five times at Roland Garros including four finals and lost every time).

But there is a difference between pointing out someone's weaknesses and saying they are useless.

Wenger had many weaknesses that were evident in 2006, he dithered in the transfer market.....despite getting to the champions league final.....we had gone through a league season losing 11 games where he hadn't replaced Vieira and we were losing games 1-0 all over the shop for the next season or so because we literally had no supply up to our front line in many games.

But there was certainly no cause to sack him at that time.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Ashburton was often accused of being a Spurs fan. He's not talking rubbish. Most people here wanted Wenger in around 2012.

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I was here i remember it, and although there was still a significant amount of Wenger fans here, the majority feeling especially when games went against us was that he should go.

But don't believe me, the match reactions can be found back in 2012.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I was here i remember it, and although there was still a significant amount of Wenger fans here, the majority feeling especially when games went against us was that he should go.

But don't believe me, the match reactions can be found back in 2012.

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The polls taken never reflected that. This is the one season where almost everyone has voted for him to go.

Ashburton2006 was ridiculed because he only posted on here when we had bad results and came across as a WUM.

I think it turned from 2011 after the League Cup final defeat, the majority (on here) at least were Wenger in until then. Although wanting Wenger out has always remained a source of ridicule on here, it's only the last 18 months where I think everyone on this forum has now come round to the same viewpoint.

When we won the FA Cup in 2014 many were supportive of Wenger signing a new contract.

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Originally Posted by Letters

When we won the FA Cup in 2014 many were supportive of Wenger signing a new contract.

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Supportive with massive conditions attached, namely the funds being released for us to seriously compete in the transfer market and that Wenger changed all his bullshit habits and started putting a competitive team on the pitch and ditching this 4th place champions bullshit. It appeared things were possibly on track at that point, Ozil in, a minor trophy to break the hoodoo. But of course Wenger fucked it all up which was pretty much inevitable but he was given the benefit of the doubt nonetheless. When people say Wenger should have been allowed another crack, to try to get things back on track, with mutual respect and dignity - that was it. That's exactly what he was given. Now the Wengerites are saying the same thing again. Respect, dignity - we did all that! Look what happened.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Ashburton2006 was ridiculed because he only posted on here when we had bad results and came across as a WUM.

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Fair point :(

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I think it turned from 2011 after the League Cup final defeat, the majority (on here) at least were Wenger in until then. Although wanting Wenger out has always remained a source of ridicule on here, it's only the last 18 months where I think everyone on this forum has now come round to the same viewpoint.

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In that case, Ashburton goes way before 2011 and the league cup defeat. Cesc had already left by 2012-13 season. We've been shockingly shite for a long long time. It's 2017. :(

This season alone, when was the last performance where we played controlled, organised and attacking football and also looked secure at the back? This season has been a new low.

We've been abject this season. Really poor.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

This season alone, when was the last performance where we played controlled, organised and attacking football and also looked secure at the back? This season has been a new low.

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Chelsea and Basel at home. Other than that....shocking. Same as the season before where we're picking out that 1 game against Utd as a standout. Is that the new norm?

And the manager keeps sending us out on the pitch to do the same things. This is the one overriding problem that makes all the noise about 300 hours a week working for Arsenal night and day and dignity and legacy a nonsense. In the end Wenger is paid to do a job and he's not doing it. And for seasons he's had the chance to loosen his grip, bring in some help and freshen things up with new ideas. But look at what has happened. Assistants have come and gone, ex-players have been shunned or shown the door. People who genuinely love the club are stuck on the outside while a bunch of profiteers are all making bank. It all stems from Wenger's inability to change even in the face of overwhelming evidence such as a season like this one we've been enduring. He's a hugely negative force now, doing real damage. This board is idiotic, the biggest Wengerites of all. Just assuming the guy is infallible and everything can be left to him without question. Every warning sign has been missed or ignored. That lot haven't been doing their job either. And now it seems the players can't be arsed either.

What happens when the fans step up to do their job and raise their voices pointing out these obvious problems? They get savaged by the media and pricks like Gary Neville. And the very people who have allowed the club to slip into this downward trending rut through their complacency and incompetence have jumped onboard and suggested the fans are part of the problem. Do they really imagine, given what they have (or should have) seen over the last few seasons that all the fans just sitting there cheering away through every shit show would have made a difference? Actually applauding these fuckers for not doing their jobs? It's insulting how irrelevant and stupid they must think we are.

The lap of "appreciation" will be interesting this year...