we all hope that, he's going nowhereQuote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
As long as he wants to stay and as long as Kroenke is the majority shareholder he is the manager
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we all hope that, he's going nowhereQuote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
As long as he wants to stay and as long as Kroenke is the majority shareholder he is the manager
Yep, that's the sad reality. That article was a good read too Herb, nice find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
it's from the Arsenal fanzine which sells outside the Emirates on match days, their twitter page is always worth a look atQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
He sounds like he knows whats hes talking about and the Gazidis/Chips thing is interesting as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Wenger is untouchable from all angles and as i said all along, even though i want him gone, he will stay and not care one bit about what others think.
http://arsenalist.com/f/2016-17/arse...ighlights.html
for those who missed the MOTD analysis. What the fuck is xhaka doing on the 2nd goal? watching the play and walking back with no care in the world.
A good read. The whole Gazidis thing is what we've been speculating about on here. It could all be bullshit but this isn’t the first time Gazidis’ name has popped up when it comes to being at odds with Wenger. When we signed Arshavin, rumour floating around during that period was that Gazdis had convinced Wenger to stump up the cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The last minute panic buys during that summer, where we sold Cesc and Nasri, was supposed to be down to Gazidis. Wenger admitted he was at some sort of conference or something on deadline day, an odd omission from the boss. Not sure why he’d distance himself like that but speculation grew that Gazidis was behind pushing for some of the deals. Looking back, I remember Wenger saying ‘we can’t convince people you’re a big club’ if we sold Nasri and Cesc. Not sure who that comment was directed at but I’m guessing someone at Board level was saying it makes no sense to let them walk for free if we can convince them to stay.
I’ve already mentioned the statement Gazidis made after closing the sponsorship deals. He cleared the fog surrounding our transfer dealings and made it clear that we could afford star players and the sort of club we should be. The comments about us being able to compete with Bayern keeps coming back around. That’s his doing. Also, the statement on that mobile billboard used for the protest abut Wenger being accountable to the fans goes back to what I’ve said about Gazidis pushing the pressure back on to Wenger.
The infrastructure changes with Gazidis appointing Jonker was an interesting one. Jonker has since walked away but he’s moved on to a managerial role with his old club Wolfsburg. I remember Le Grove saying Jonker could have been Wenger’s replacement. The fact that he’s moved from a youth coaching role and into first team management suggests there could have been some truth in that. Word at the time was that it was Gazidis who appointed Jonker and Wenger didn’t really play a part. Jonker being undermined by Wenger and not being allowed to appoint Henry as coach with Wenger vetoing the move raised eyebrows for me at the time. If Josh Kroenke is really interested in Henry taking over as coach and Henry making no secret of his desire to return to Arsenal, I get the feeling Wenger may have felt threatened. All speculation of course but what else have we got here?
1st goal as well. Why is he so far forward? He's having a shocking season. Absolute shit but I take solace in hearing on Arsenal Fan TV recently that he had a shocker of a debut season in Germany but got better after.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
I think he is a good player and his range of passing is exceptional but he is obviously not getting coached properly and that comes down to the manager. Can the manager not see from the sidelines that his DCM is out of position? does he not analyses games and tell his players where they went wrong? its all a big mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Wenger also admitted that Xhaka cant tackle, which begs the question, why did he buy a DCM who cant do the main element of job?
The only negative aspect i would add to that is that Gazidis made himself look bloody silly about five years ago when he tried to get a sponsorship deal done with a Russian telecoms company without doing any research and it turned out that Usmanov was a major share holder of this company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
That's a gaff and I'm sure there are a few other things he's done that I wouldn't approve of but that doesn't really relate to his relationship with Wenger and what we think may be going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The only thing i'm saying is that maybe don't look to Gazidis too much as our salvation here, the way people cry for the moon for David Dein
You don't need to that. My expectations don't need handling and no where am implying he's the saviour. Didn't you say last week that he has some footballing knowledge and it may be Wenger that's rendering him powerless? I agree with that and have held on to that belief for a while now since he's joined. How competent he'll be with Wenger out of the way is a separate issue, but today we're talking about a possible power struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You still haven't quite grasped the concept that I will say whatever I want, saying you don't need to say this or why are you saying that seem to lend themselves to this misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Gazidis does have football knowledge of course, but we haven't had any real confirmation that for all his big talk he isn't another yes man. We will find out soon enough.
Hey, Herb, go fuck yourself. :good: Even when an argument is made that you agree with and have stated, you have to find something contrary to say just to be a prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...84#post4403084
I mean you wrote this not so long ago....sheesh.Quote:
Ivan Gazidis seems to me essentially powerless to do his job.
That if he tried to take any action regards to Wenger, Wenger would just bypass him
We know that he brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Joncker without Wengers blessing. And it's likely Wenger has not bothered to utilise them and has stuck within his own comfort zone.
I wonder if Wenger does sign on, Gazidis will play the long game or he will just leave. The latter wouldn't surprise me
The papers often report Wenger is the only one at the club with footballing knowledge, I genuinely don't think that's true though....Gazidis was part of the management structure for the MLS
And what part of that is contradictory to what I've just said exactly?
I think there is evidence he's tried to take control over footballing aspects, but equally definitively we don't know he's not a yes man. Will he ultimately give in to higher authority over this issue? Like I said we will see.
I also have stated that he is the only other person at the club other than Wenger with any knowledge of football, that's not in contradiction to saying I wouldn't trust him to completely get us out of this mess because of his previous balls up.
Maybe in the world you operate it, you can't see something from one that one perspective. There's no need to act like a big girl when other people do :shrug:
Just as well you don't go to games I can see you being one of those people getting into a hissy fit cat fight with someone :lol:
I've been a couple of times to the Emirates this season and not a scratch on me. How has your experience been so far this season?
It would help if you could grasp the points being made in a discussion and not try to assume something I haven't said. I haven't written anywhere in my post or even suggested Ivan could somehow save the club. It would help if you could stick to what's presented on the page without jumping to conclusions. You have listened to the points I've made about Ivan previously, agreed and added your own input and now have posted up a link to someone else that has a similar point of view. But as usual, you have to find a point to challenge even if it's totally irrelevant to the conversation and undermines what you've said last week. :doh: Politics as usual.
I simply made the point that although Gazidis is the nearest thing we have to a salvation it's a lamentable thing because I don't throughly trust in his competence or sincerity.
Now I said I would simply add to the point you made, I wasn't disagreeing with you but because you're impulsively driven to think that everything has to be an attack on your opinion if it doesn't immediately preface itself with I agree with you than you immediately start getting uppity.
Now youve failed to make the case where one thing I've said directly contradicts the other.
Gazidis can be both someone who has tried to influence the football aspect of things and be a yes man and the answer to whether he is both will be determined by what happens to Wenger and if Gazidis walks if nothing changes.
Gazidis can be someone with a detailed knowledge of football and someone who is prone to making stupid decisions. It doesnt mean that he definitely mean he wouldn't be more effective if given more responsibility in the event of Wenger going, it's adding the caveat that there is no definite that he will be.
I've not suggested you have claimed otherwise, I've just added my own input like I always have and will always continue to do most likely with your petulant bleating going on in the background.
Not been this season, I cancelled my red membership have been offered tickets but declined them.
I havent been regularly for about two years, used to use my brothers season ticket.
Unless I'm suffering from repressed memory I've never really been involved in heated arguments with fellow fans just before, during or after games. The nearest thing was when work friend was giving me a bit of stick over my barracking of Aaron Ramsey but this was during the season of his life when he was on top form so had to take it on the chin because at the time it did appear that I was wrong about him.
A little confused here.
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The only thing i'm saying is that maybe don't look to Gazidis too much as our salvation here, the way people cry for the moon for David Dein
So you think he's the nearest thing to salvation? That's a debate you're having with yourself. I never made that point and I don't know why you feel the need to imply that's how I view him. There is conversation to be had about how competent Gazidis is or can be without Wenger but that's not really for today, something I suggested earlier but you didn't pick up on it.Quote:
I simply made the point that although Gazidis is the nearest thing we have to a salvation it's a lamentable thing because I don't throughly trust in his competence or sincerity.
I didn't say you've made a contradiction. I said you're undermining the argument you made last week. Why sparked that? Gazidis could be a 'yes' man but you weren't thinking along those lines earlier today or last week.
So you've never thought something and then weighed it up by thinking "on the other hand"
I do think unfortunately Gazidis could be our only salvation when we ask "who will rid us of this turbulent priest", but it's hard to guage fully what his motivations are and I'm presenting a counter point.
It's not really a debate....I'm just adding things in as they Spring to mind. Your comments were about Gazidis so seemed just as worth while to reply directly.
Im not even making an argument, I'm postulating
As said, you're having a conversation with yourself if you're not actually reading what I say or make assumptions. I didn't say anything about Gazidis being our salvation but you followed up with the below as if I said that.
Hence the response. Say whatever you want but don't get prickly when I correct you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Nothing that suggests I was directing that comment at you specifically
But in the interests of you not getting your panties in a twist I'll concede it could have been clearer.
But if you want to put it that I'm having a conversation with myself?. Meh I generally am thinking out loud in the style I use to write.
Correcting me? :lol:
OMFG shut up the pair of yas
Thinking out a loud, conversation with yourself....same difference. I wasn't wrong if you admit that's your posting style. Not sure how you expect me to interpret your posts if you can't be more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Listen, these kind of pointless arguments are the only things that bump up the amount of posts on this siteQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Are you not entertained?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
:getcoat:
Oh....i don't really careQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
End of the day, i take a few minutes break from work to write on this. I keep telling you i find it difficult to discern most of the time from one poster to another. You i recognise because you so often get uppity, and NQ of course because he's well unique. But the rest of the people here...Letters aside...meh all mould into one.
The only reason i reply to you directly is because if i click reply the message can end up appearing two or three messages down if someone else is writing on the thread at the same time.
You don’t have to discern which poster said what in this case. Just distinguish the difference between what’s been said on here to whatever conversation you have going on in your own head.
I don't have to do anything
Changing the subject, fans have decided to set up a protest outside London Colney.....Ha fair play to anyone who has taken time off work to do that, and if that sounds like i'm being condescending to them i'm honestly not.....will it make a difference to whether Wenger stays or not....no probably not but what it will do is leave it in absolutely no doubt that a contract extension goes against the wishes of the fans.
Nice hit piece today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...henomenon.html
It's AFTV that has split the fans. Not Wenger or the board that promised excellence and delivered excrement.
So I guess if AFTV shuts down, the fans will be united and Wenger will find his mojo and Stan will become a football fanatic?
I don't get what these anti-AFTV lot are on about. Why is it embarrassing for a club to have a fan channel run by the fans rather than some Pravda style operation? What's really embarrassing are the performances on the pitch. Maybe the loudmouths targeting AFTV should focus on that a bit more. What, do they expect a fan channel to broadcast happy songs and tributes to the leader regardless of what's happening on the pitch? Would that be less embarrassing for them? Or do they not want anyone to express an opinion at all? Just brush it all under the rug and pretend - like Wenger does?
I'd be quite embarrassed if I was of the same mind as a prick like Gary Neville, tbf. But he has a right to his opinion too, and what I do is ignore it. Switch it off. Suggest these plebs do the same if they don't like what AFTV is doing.
Totally 100% agree, it's the resentful snobbery of a Media who know they are not being listened to any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Sorry fans don't have quid pro quo deals with the clubs favourable stories for favourable access....they are just saying what they genuinely think.
Listening to these whores who long since relinquished their role as defender of the people against power in favour of taking advertising bucks and keeping shut, it's funny. They are sort of hinting Robbie's in it for the money :haha:
Kettle calling the pot a dirty kettle.
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.....how dare he spend his free time trying to give voices to people only to discover that he's rather good at it and that he can actually do what he loves for a living.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
What an awful human being he is.
Was kinda planning to have you lot make my fortune via this site till you all started leaving, you selfish twats :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It wouldn't have workedQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You're not very good at what you do.
:( Harsh, but fair.
And he's fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
But he can Rap...sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn