Anyone got a team pic with the 'winners' banner behind them?
I can't find one online anywhere
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Anyone got a team pic with the 'winners' banner behind them?
I can't find one online anywhere
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...5912463365.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Monreal doesn't get enough credit. A very solid player and he has heart. Works hard for everything and one of the more vocal players too. A lot of his qualities go unnoticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Rob Holding! He has had a very good season. Reminds me of when Senderos first arrived in the team to win the FA Cup. A really good start for the kid.
Please do not use the name Senderos to compare any defender we buy. Bad KarmaQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I still believe the reason why our defenders regress is bad training. Holding still has what came with him from Bolton.....it takes time to ruin them.
I prefer Monreal at centre back to left back where he's far too slow and gets absolutely rinsed for pace
I remember games where he and Mertesacker were playing at centre back two - three years ago and he was actually the better between the two of them.
You've got to take your hat off to him, I can't stand the guy but how has he managed to win the FA cup in an absolutely abysmal season? :lol:
3 trophies in 4 years is a big big achievement no matter how much you hate the guy. You enter 4 competitions every year and we've managed to win 1. No wonder the board and other fans think we're idiots.
I still can't believe we actually beat Chelsea, yes CHELSEA, in a cup final :blink: :haha:
Made me smile seeing him walk around the pitch smiling and clapping the fans. This is the perfect time for him to move on; leave on a high, having broken a record. Also makes me think- we're underachieving so much in general, imagine if we got in a top, modern manager... we'd actually be frightening. We're winning cups despite having a bad season, imagine what we'd do with an Allegri.
But anyway I just want to enjoy this moment.
We beat chelsea :blink: :bow: :dance:
Thanks GP :good:
Great great win yesterday, it's what everyone has been calling for, a performance where we showed real hunger, desire, pressured Chelsea and gave them no time on the ball, this is the kind of performance we've all wanted to see for years to be honest, so fair play to the team, can't praise them highly enough for that and for once we managed to upset the odds.
Didn't expect to win the cup against Chelsea so I'm amazed we did it, it seems we can turn up and produce performances like this once in a while.
As a standalone game in isolation to win the cup this was fantastic, just really need to produce performance like this in the CL and league against the big teams.
Ozil and Xhaka ran that match yesterday. Two dominant performances but Per was my MOTM.
Welbeck can't score goals but calling his performance useless is a very useless statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Most of our young defenders get off to a good start. Chambers had was one of them, but it then turns sour. I think Holding will be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
A striker that can't score goals.... Yes we've been crying out for one of those all season :doh: If we hadn't have scored straight away and ended losing the final, nobody on here would be praising Welbeck.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
Tbh I'd have been disappointed but I think I would have still been proud of the performance from all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The only negative was the lack of clinical finishing and Welbeck is part of the problem there but he played well as did all of them.
Welbeck will always try hard. That's never been a criticism but he has to work on his technique and finishing. Besides that, he also needs to work on the runs he makes. There was one moment where he should have ran towards the backpost but he instead started to run towards Sanchez and Sanchez lost his shit with him, pointing towards the back post because that was the run to make. There were a few moments like that. He doesn't fully understand how to play as striker. He's really raw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Welbeck reminds me of Sanogo. Has the work rate, a good athlete but lacks technique and has dodgy finishing. We can't really depend on a striker like that.
I think he's better than Sanogo! But no, we can't depend on him in that neither him are Giroud will win you a title, but IMO they both add something to the squad and are good backups.
Someone made a joke the other day on a podcast hat you just want to lock Welbeck on a 5 aside pitch with Ian Wright. Honestly.....I think he should make his training 50% finishing. That's not even a joke.
At the start of the season....(might even have been preseason) I asked the question on this forum whether we should seriously consider playing 343 through the season.....I can't be bothered to dig it out, but it was a non starter to most on here people were saying we didn't have the players for it. Anyway do people think now we've seen it that we should move forward with it...ie next season and base transfer targets with that system in mind?
I don't think the system change has simply been placebo and I'm personally not of the school of thought that it's all down to the players and the system is an irrelevance.
No, I don't think we should be going to 433.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We've got to stick with the 3 at the back.
HAHAHA! Doh!
I mean 3 at the back of course!
I never would have thought Wenger would make a move to 3 at the back. It's definitely something we should continue with and I'd also like to see him alter the formation by playing 2 up front instead of one. My main gripe with Giroud up front is his lack of mobility. Combine his physical presence with a smaller player like Sanchez or Walcott and we get the best of both worlds. The three of them have scored a load of goals this season and we have a system that can accommodate a partnership. Also, we'd be able to play Ozil as a 10. The closer he plays to Sanchez, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
But even without the alterations, we should stick with this formation. Would prefer Sanchez up front and maybe get Iwobi back playing but in the wide attack position Sanchez would play. I think the kid deserves a second chance. He's not a winger and didn't suit playing there.
I've always favoured 2 up front for defensive reasons. Sounds bizarre at first but consider this. If you have one up front when the rest are defending, the one up front can be man marked meaning the other side can have more attacking. If you have 2 up front with the potential for interplay, then the other team need to consider having 3 in defence, 2 being a bit risk, thus reducing their attacking potential. Given the way having a back 3 seems to have worked really well, a 3-5-2 gets my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
That can't be right - someone must have photoshopped John Terry out of the picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
He came on separately for a guard of honour 26 minutes into the celebrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
We should definitely continue on with the formation next season, it's helped confidence return and most importantly produced some good results. I would like to see if it can stand the test of a whole season.
Wenger made the right move but it's frustrating that it (again) took us reaching a nadir for something to change. He probably could have made any number of changes to the system and it would have yielded something positive because we were absolutely shocking this season.
Honestly don't think we can read anything of significance into this new defensive set up. We've been up against teams that have gone on holiday and we've used it in a cup final which is a one off game where form goes out the window.
What we actually need is for Wenger to duck out of coaching so we can bring in proper coaches instead of his cronies. We need a defence that can do the business during the season, not just at the tail end of it. We probably won't get that, so what I'm saying is we'll need to wait for the first third of next season to play out until we can determine if there's genuinely something new happening defensively. We've seen the current pattern too many times already.
I guess, but the game is more than about goals. Its the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I dont want Welbeck starting for this club in a major match again, but his speed and industry forced CHelsea to fall back.
I agree, he stretched Chelsea with his running which allowed more space for Ozil and Alexis. I'm not saying we can't do better than Welbeck, but he definitely played a bit part in the win on Saturday.
Giroud is a better footballer technically but I'd still opt for Welbeck over him to start matches.
A mobile striker helps open up space for others. We need that and you see the difference it has on the way play develops. I’ve said that before and why I’d prefer Alexis or Theo up front to someone like Giroud. But we also need a sharp finisher and someone with better technique. No point in playing with a blunt instrument up front. It solves one problem but creates another. It’s like reverting back to the days of playing with Chamakh, Bendy or Sanogo up front. They’d be a handful for defenders when on their game but they wouldn’t take their chances and it was costly. It’s a process but you want a process that produces an end result.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
Welbeck has work to do this summer. Maybe it’s just rust. But since coming back into the first team, he’s started 8 games up front as striker and has only scored 1 goal. Even before his injury, he’d have similar runs in the squad up front but people still have more faith him playing as striker over someone like Walcott or Sanchez.
Its not rustQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Welbeck isn't a goal scorer and never will be. He has a use though. He can play a flank and help the fullback out with his defense while having the speed to force defenses to sit deeper.
He did that on Saturday. I just strongly disagree with calling his performance useless on Saturday. But saying he has use is not the same as "Welbeck should be our starting number 9 next summer." He isn't good enough for that role over the course of a season.