Where has Wenger gone wrong?

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05-03-2018, 11:19 AM
Goonermerree

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

They scored ALL our recent goals tbf, along with Alexis. Wenger sold off all our goals in the January window. His plan to replace them was to bring in an expensive striker and then isolate him at the top of a tippy tap, sideways, backwards, no pace, no energy ballet of triangles. Wenger has developed Total Non-Football.

Pretty sure Monreal contributed one or two.
05-03-2018, 11:26 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Goonermerree

Pretty sure Monreal contributed one or two.

Did you watch our DM against Brighton? He was on the left, he was on the right, he was behind the CM, ahead of the CM, everywhere. Charging around like a headless chicken. I felt sorry for him. It's plain he was trying. But he was making it up as he went along, absent any sort of predefined role or system in which to play that role. That's Wenger's cheap and ridiculous impersonation of Cryuff, or Pep at Barca. Just let them do their own thing and see what happens. The freedom but without the painstaking training that retains the integrity of the team and keeps it operating as a single unit with interchangeable parts. I'd much rather see Monreal nowhere near the opposition goal and solid in defence for a while, along with his colleagues at the back. Instead we have Mustafi and Koscielny doing the Xhaka. It's an utter shambles. The opposition must laugh when they see what's going on.
05-03-2018, 11:28 AM
Goonermerree

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Did you watch our DM against Brighton? He was on the left, he was on the right, he was behind the CM, ahead of the CM, everywhere. Charging around like a headless chicken. I felt sorry for him. It's plain he was trying. But he was making it up as he went along, absent any sort of predefined role or system in which to play that role. That's Wenger's cheap and ridiculous impersonation of Cryuff, or Pep at Barca. Just let them do their own thing and see what happens. The freedom but without the painstaking training that retains the integrity of the team and keeps it operating as a single unit with interchangeable parts. I'd much rather see Monreal nowhere near the opposition goal and solid in defence for a while, along with his colleagues at the back. Instead we have Mustafi and Koscielny doing the Xhaka. It's an utter shambles. The opposition must laugh when they see what's going on.

Don't disagree, but he did score a few goals recently!
05-03-2018, 11:31 AM
IBK

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Did you watch our DM against Brighton? He was on the left, he was on the right, he was behind the CM, ahead of the CM, everywhere. Charging around like a headless chicken. I felt sorry for him. It's plain he was trying. But he was making it up as he went along, absent any sort of predefined role or system in which to play that role. That's Wenger's cheap and ridiculous impersonation of Cryuff, or Pep at Barca. Just let them do their own thing and see what happens. The freedom but without the painstaking training that retains the integrity of the team and keeps it operating as a single unit with interchangeable parts. I'd much rather see Monreal nowhere near the opposition goal and solid in defence for a while, along with his colleagues at the back. Instead we have Mustafi and Koscielny doing the Xhaka. It's an utter shambles. The opposition must laugh when they see what's going on.

:gp: Spot on.
05-03-2018, 11:32 AM
IBK

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Originally Posted by IBK

:gp: Spot on.

PS maybe we could call it 'doing the Xhakarena'? :lol:
05-03-2018, 11:38 AM
LDG

What made me laugh yesterday, was the passage of play for our goal.

Get it forward quickly, get it wide, stretch the play, load the box. Goal.

Did we do that again for the rest of the match? Did we fuck. We had the blueprint, yet we still had Jack running down blind alleys, Kacka passing it backwards, and Iwobi....Iwobi-ing.
05-03-2018, 12:04 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by LDG

What made me laugh yesterday, was the passage of play for our goal.

Get it forward quickly, get it wide, stretch the play, load the box. Goal.

Did we do that again for the rest of the match? Did we fuck. We had the blueprint, yet we still had Jack running down blind alleys, Kacka passing it backwards, and Iwobi....Iwobi-ing.

And that's how we beat the handful of top teams we've managed to get the better of in recent seasons. Those rare, rare occasions.

Direct, incisive football. We've often had low possession (38% once IIRC) when we've achieved our better results. But every time Wenger saw that (if he saw it) he reinforced the tip tap bullshit.
05-03-2018, 12:29 PM
Niall_Quinn

Wenger has united the world :bow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbtEuE-bZ0
05-03-2018, 12:40 PM
Goonermerree

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger has united the world :bow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbtEuE-bZ0

He was the new Messiah after all!!!
05-03-2018, 12:43 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Goonermerree

He was the new Messiah after all!!!

And just like Jesus, we ungrateful twats are trying to crucify him :doh:

(I think Ty might actually believe this)
05-03-2018, 12:55 PM
HCZ

Jesus was a cunt

Just saying
05-03-2018, 07:22 PM
Niall_Quinn

The ultimate expression of Wengerball.

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview...2290060970.mp4
05-03-2018, 07:25 PM
Cripps

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

The ultimate expression of Wengerball.

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview...2290060970.mp4

Everyone's making a big deal out of that but teams do that regularly, put 10 men behind the ball and sit back :unsure:
05-03-2018, 07:26 PM
Niall_Quinn

Wenger almost issues an instruction from the sideline, but stops himself in the nick of time.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/20...0253432738.jpg
05-03-2018, 07:35 PM
Cripps

Steve Bould :doh:

Had so much expectation when he was appointed, utterly disappointed :rose:
05-03-2018, 11:13 PM
Chippy

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think it's as simple as he was a man ahead of his time...but that time was over 20 years ago.

It seems obvious now that footballers are athletes and should behave as such. When Wenger came in it was in the era when clubs still had "drinking schools", players would start the day with fried breakfasts.
Wenger's diet and fitness methods made us fitter than other teams. Players from that era have credited Wenger for extending their careers.

He also had a knowledge of the European and worldwide game which allowed him to cherry-pick some great players before they were on other team's radars.
It was perhaps a happy co-incidence that it was at a time when French players had a golden generation.

He did inherit a good defence and captain but just crediting his success to that is too simplistic - The Invincibles was pretty much entirely Wenger's squad, Vieira was Wenger's captain.

So where did it all go wrong? Wenger has always had weaknesses.
He was never a good motivator - but you don't need to be when you've got Adams or Vieira out there.
He was never a good tactician - but when you've got players like Vieira, Henry, Bergkamp et al, you don't need to be a master tactician.

Wenger's weaknesses were always apparent, looking back. It's hard to notice when you're winning a sack of trophies, but thinking back - we never retained the title, that squad really should have.
We failed in Europe - that squad really should have won a CL or two.
But in the early days his strengths outweighed his weaknesses.

Then other clubs started to improve their fitness methods.
Other clubs started to build global scouting networks.
Then the billionaires stuck their oars in.

Wenger no longer has the edge he once had. He's like a man who had a 128k Spectrum when everyone else had 48k ones, but then everyone else bought and Atari ST and Wenger didn't upgrade.
I still think he did pretty well in an era when the billionaires were starting to have a big impact and our finances were restricted by the stadium move to keep us relatively competitive.
For all the failures the 3 FA Cups have been nice.
But he's just not up to competing for the biggest prizes any more.

IMO the issue is more than Wenger hasn't changed, football has changed around him and he's been unable to keep up.
To be fair, not managers can. Clough did amazing things but couldn't sustain it and ended up taking Forest down in the end.
We haven't fallen anywhere near that far and I don't think we will. I just wish Wenger had gone at the end of last season, it was probably his last chance to get out with some dignity.

If he stays another season, he could actually emulate Clough. We are very poor and it will take several years to recover. He is a greedy cunt who has put himself first. Fuck off Wenger and all the "Wenger in" fucktards.
06-03-2018, 10:18 AM
Mac76

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Originally Posted by Chippy

If he stays another season, he could actually emulate Clough.

only if he hits the bottle - Clough's face was held together by red blotches at the end

Ferguc**t was going the same way at one point but unfortunately he reigned it in :sarcy: ;)
06-03-2018, 10:28 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Mac76

only if he hits the bottle - Clough's face was held together by red blotches at the end

Ferguc**t was going the same way at one point but unfortunately he reigned it in :sarcy: ;)

At least Clough had an excuse. He was a drunk.

What's Wenger's excuse for staggering around the place spouting bullshit and outstaying his welcome?
06-03-2018, 11:35 AM
Mac76

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

At least Clough had an excuse. He was a drunk.

What's Wenger's excuse for staggering around the place spouting bullshit and outstaying his welcome?

Hmm... maybe he does have a bottle of something strong in his desk after all...

"come on zen - 'ow many orf you - i weel take you all on..."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=450
06-03-2018, 11:38 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Chippy

If he stays another season, he could actually emulate Clough.

Behave. This is by far our worst team (I don't think our worst squad) under Wenger and we'll probably finish 6th.
06-03-2018, 02:28 PM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Letters

Behave. This is by far our worst team (I don't think our worst squad) under Wenger and we'll probably finish 6th.

The actual quality of the individuals within our team is very high IMO. I honestly believe this team could be a certified top 4 side if it was organised and we actually had defined roles / tactics etc.

I agree the that it is the worst performing team but I truly believe this team has a few more levels if managed correctly.
06-03-2018, 07:55 PM
Penguin

Our squad isn't that bad. I wont pretend this lot are great but they would be doing a LOT better if they weren't being managed by a moron. They look ten times worse than they actually are.
07-03-2018, 01:37 PM
IBK

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Originally Posted by selassie

The actual quality of the individuals within our team is very high IMO. I honestly believe this team could be a certified top 4 side if it was organised and we actually had defined roles / tactics etc.

I agree the that it is the worst performing team but I truly believe this team has a few more levels if managed correctly.

Definitely with you there.
07-03-2018, 01:43 PM
The Emirates Gallactico

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Originally Posted by Letters

Behave. This is by far our worst team (I don't think our worst squad) under Wenger and we'll probably finish 6th.

Don't be ridiculous Letters.

We regularly finished top four with filth like Almunia, Denilson, Song, Squillachi, Vermealan, Chamakh, Bapitisa, Eboue etc etc all regularly featuring for us.

The current squad's actually really talented and has better all round quality than the squads during the early Emirates period, but it's heavily unbalanced and lacks any direction or purpose. It's just Wenger's completely lost it and Spurs & Liverpool have got their shit together so we no longer can somehow weasel our way into the top four despite being crap.
07-03-2018, 02:18 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Don't be ridiculous Letters.

We regularly finished top four with filth like Almunia, Denilson, Song, Squillachi, Vermealan, Chamakh, Bapitisa, Eboue etc etc all regularly featuring for us.

The current squad's actually really talented and has better all round quality than the squads during the early Emirates period, but it's heavily unbalanced and lacks any direction or purpose. It's just Wenger's completely lost it and Spurs & Liverpool have got their shit together so we no longer can somehow weasel our way into the top four despite being crap.

...I literally said it's our worst team, not our worst squad :blink:
What are you even arguing against?
07-03-2018, 02:42 PM
KSE Comedy Club

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Originally Posted by Letters

...I literally said it's our worst team, not our worst squad :blink:
What are you even arguing against?

TEG: 'Letters, you Bastard!!'

Letters: 'Why?'

TEG: 'just because'

:haha: :haha:
07-03-2018, 03:28 PM
The Emirates Gallactico

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Originally Posted by Letters

...I literally said it's our worst team, not our worst squad :blink:
What are you even arguing against?

What do you think makes up a team? Players from our squad. This isn't the worst set of players that Wenger has had .... far from it.

All the aforementioned regularly started for when they were around and when we were consistently finishing fourth.

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