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I suppose for the sake of consistency - I set up this thread initially because I was getting a bit sick of all the vitriol and thought it was good to keep the Arsenal section a bit more pure and forward-looking.
I don't care as much as I did but as there was an ongoing conversation I thought I'd just move the whole lot.
Let's hope we draw Milan in the last 16 of the CL whenever we get back into it, it will be a free bye to the next round! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
There's no reason why Milan couldn't challenge Juve, they have the history, the finances, they just need a decent manager who signs the right players now, you can't take the attitude that there's no way you can challenge them so why bother or you'll never win anything.
Getting into the top 4 in Italy isn't hard to be honest, like I said there's 2 maximum 3 decent teams, so there's one or two places up for grabs for anyone it's no great achievement, they sit in 4th place at the moment in fact.
That's pretty weak because we don't move discussions on former players what they're doing after they've moved on. You're sick of the conversation but it shouldn't be up to you to move a topic to back pages so it can't be seen. Wenger and Gazidis are still part of the Arsenal fabric and considering the last few years we have had, it shouldn't be moved to a non Arsenal section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Look at the recent list of managers and players they’ve bought. They’ve languished in mid-table for so long that they are no longer the draw they once were, money or not. That’s why they and everyone else can barely touch Juve as the league isn’t a draw in general. CL football and being able pay big money is the combination they need to restore their status. Milan haven’t finished in the top four since 2013. They’ve had foreign money since 2016 but haven’t done much. Look how easily we rolled them over last season. Shows getting into the top 4 in Italy isn’t that easy and money doesn’t guarantee an automatic route to glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Neil Bamfield and Boro Primorac, goalkeeping coach Gerry Peyton and fitness coach Tony Colbert, will all be licking their lips. "Lets get the old gang together again. This time over pasta"
:lol: It shouldn't be up to a mod to make moderation decisions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Can't be seen? This isn't some backwater part of the forum and I put in both this thread and the one it came from a message what I'd done so people could continue the conversation.
You clearly found it OK...
I disagree. Neither are employed by the club so what they do now is nothing to do with Arsenal.Quote:
Wenger and Gazidis are still part of the Arsenal fabric and considering the last few years we have had, it shouldn't be moved to a non Arsenal section.
The CL is a closed shop and frankly so are most of the top domestic leagues. We're only talking about 4 or 5 clubs really if guaranteed titles and a possible CL is on offer and Wenger is never going to be considered good enough for them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
An underachieving club with potential (like Milan) suits his style of management and reputation I think. If he succeeds he'll go down as the man who woke a sleeping giant, if he fails it will barely be a footnote in his career. Nothing to lose.
It's a personal decision because you can't stand when people take swipes at Wenger. We've had discussions about Gazidis in the Arsenal section after he left. Sanchez and former players are mocked on a regular basis in these sections. But it's cool. You're a mod. Do as you please and continue to kill the site. :good: Isn't this the same thing that caused NQ to leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Oh please. If you want I can dig out the stats of posts per day going back to the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
You'll see there's been a slow and steady decline since its peak over 10 years ago.
I don't believe that's because of anything I or any of the other mods have done, it's just that messageboards as a thing are mostly declining, people argue and troll on FB and Twitter and so on these days.
I'll admit that I don't know what I'm doing with online marketing, if anyone does and they can work on Google ranks and other ways of publicising the site in a way which might invigorate the place then great.
But if you really think that me moving a few posts is "killing the site" when the moderation here is pretty much non-existent most of the time then I'd suggest you're being a bit silly.
Other boards I've looked at have far stricter moderation.
Sort of. He was actually banned (not by me) because he became so unpleasant.Quote:
Isn't this the same thing that caused NQ to leave?
The root of him becoming so was me moving some posts and creating this thread.
And pretty much everyone who expressed an opinion couldn't believe he had such an over-reaction to it.
I mean, you don't agree with what I've done which is fine, but you're just having a moan, you're not calling me every name under the sun and being really nasty about it.
Does it really matter? I'm not censoring anyone, no posts were deleted, I explained what I did and the conversation has continued.
This IS the right place to talk about Wenger - and yes, I guess I should apply that consistently but I generally don't bother, I did on this occasion because it was turning into a more protracted conversation and I noticed (I don't always).
Yes very true, they've got a terrible record of bringing in awful managers, they're a very poor side, but spent a fortune was recently, they just don't seem to be able to employ decent managers, if they had they'd be top 4 for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Money can guarantee some success, but you need to pick good managers as well, Milan seem to pick managers that are former players with little experience in management which hasn't worked very well for them, a decent manager would certainly have them challenging Napoli and possibly run Juve close, that man isn't Wenger of course as the best he can get is top 4, anything else is beyond him.
Not sure I agree, there's another big Arsenal forum where they get away with a whole lot more than you'd get away with here to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Seems to me you apply a different rule when it's Wenger as PNG says, for some reason you don't like to see anything remotely negative regarding him, with everyone else it's fine but not Wenger, to be honest I don't get why, like you said he's gone so if anything you should be fine with it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't see the merits of Wenger for any club who have any ambitions of success, there's plenty of better managers out there, why would you settle for him? As for putting Gazidis and Wenger back together, IMO it's a nonsensical decision, those two really really made a mess of Arsenal, Gazidis with his poor business acumen and Wenger with his stubborness and just simple inablity to manage at the top level, I just don't get why anyone would want to pair those two again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It’s the same reason why they haven’t been able to attract the top tier managers. Partly because ownership has changed hands 3 times in as many years and also because it isn’t the most attractive job anymore. Getting them into the top 4 regularly, attracting better players is their first step. Just like us at the moment. It’s a good fit for Wenger. One they’re established again, then they can kick on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Apart from calling everyone a cunt in every post, what can’t you do on here? Since I’ve joined I can’t say I’ve noticed many major rules being implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
This is definitely the most liberal Arsenal forum I've been on.
You will literally get away with grooming on here.
No panic lads. Wenger has confirmed its fake news.
Or in other words: Milan made an offer, but he did not see it
Bless your heart for implying we are still a big Arsenal forum :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I signed up to Glory Glory one time, it was around the era when our reserves got thumped by them in the Hokey Cokey Cup.
They were creaming their collective pants about that and I posted something innocuous like "Really?" (bemused at how excited they'd got about beating our reserves) and got banned :lol:
I'm sure there are forums where "anything goes", there are definitely other forums which are much stricter.
Overall I think we've always had a light touch approach here and I think that's worked - I don't buy that the decline on this place has been because of overbearing moderation, if anything people have left because we've let too much go.
Thank you for your interest in our affairs though :cool:
If you disagree with the general viewpoint you can get banned on here, you just need to say one thing wrong, it's not so much the case now but certainly in the Wenger days if a mod didn't like what you were saying then you were in trouble, a number of people got banned because of it, it was seen as wumming, but in fact it was just not agreeing with the opinion of many on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
If you agreed you could get away with a fair amount however.
I don't really agree with that to be honest, you should be able to have a different view to others about the management/club etc that doesn't warrant banning, if you do something ut of order than fine, but some have and have got away with it, but those who were anti Wenger never did.
Look at Goonersworld, they pretty much say whatever they want on there without any issue, if you didn't like Wenger and made it clear, however much you did it was fine, hence the reason Cripps is on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
My issue with it here is that it was OK to have a go at people who had an opinion different to the general consensus, but when the other person did anything they'd be told to pipe down and accused of wumming. If you look at those banned, they were almost solely against Wenger.
Common sense prevails!Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Wenger to rejoin Arsenal then? :pray:
Fuhking class.
Get in Prof!
Nice to see him smiling again, he looks about 10 years younger already. Hopefully he doesn't bother coming back to coach, it's not worth it at his age.