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Except the last sentence - Ponce is a tosser and a fraud, the former has always been clear and the latter is becoming increasingly obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Never really agreed with you about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I mean, he got Spurs to a CL final. Spurs! And he made them credible title contenders for the first time in my life. But the lack of trophies is a pretty big black mark against him and he’s not done a good job at Chelsea. It does seem like he’s inherited a hilarious mess though. Emery didn’t do a good job with us but he’s clearly a pretty decent manager.
I also don’t think it’s possible to do a good job at Chelsea. The club is a hot steaming mess. As for fraud, I’m not really sure how that word applies…he did a good job at Spurs I think that’s undeniable. Not really excelled anywhere else. As for being a tosser? Not really sure what makes him anymore a tosser than most other football coaches.
Other than being relatively more successful with Spurs than most of the other coaches they’ve had, I don’t really get the beef with him. Used to love seeing Mourinho lose because of what an unpleasant narcissist he is, but it then became so commonplace that it lost any meaning.
Amazing how people on here line up to defend a spuds manager with a face like a punchbag who constantly blames anyone but himself for serial failure (PSG doesn't count and spuds LOST the CL final in case people hadn't noticed)
Pathetic
Chelsea :haha:
Embarrassing from Chelsea really to not beat that Liverpool team with pretty much all of their big hitters out.
Klopp is a great coach and I am quite envious of how electric he’s made things at Liverpool. Very happy he’s leaving and let’s just hope this is the only thing they win this season. :sick:
I don’t think anyone is defending him, they’re just telling you they don’t share your sense of animus towards him. Which you’ve largely stated is because he’s overrated and blames everyone but himself for defeats (which let’s be fair hardly singles him out as a football coach). People on here don’t have the same animus I do towards Chelsea, they don’t like the club and find it funny when they lose but as far as I’m concerned I’d consider it a just outcome if the club ends up being relegated and liquidated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I don’t like Spurs and love it that they continually miss out on silverware and take great pleasure when they lose, but I don’t wish such a fate on them. Because apart from anything else their existence as a club sets the standard for Arsenal, finishing above them, beating them in north london derbies and winning things when they don’t is a big chunk of what gives being an Arsenal fan meaning.
I also used to actually quite like Chelsea about 20-25 years ago, it helped that they could hardly ever win against us in the league. But they played decent football and it could be quite helpful when they’d beat Man United. Always evident that John Terry was a massive cunt, but actually liked players like Zola, Hasselbank, Gudjohnssen, Flo and Poyet (before he went to Spurs)
That was tempered against the fact Ken Bates was a nasty piece of work. Last decent person to be involved in the ownership of Chelsea was Matthew Harding.
AHEM. :sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I'd love to see Spuds relegated, it would be hilarious, although i guess the following season they might do well in the Championship and potentially come straight back up as Champions (i.e. actually win something), but still them going down would be lovely to see :lol:
Sorry, dude, but you’re posting like a child. I find that a bit pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Ok, you think he’s a smelly poo poo head. I don’t know if you think that because he was at Spurs (in which case come on, dude, grow up a bit). But either way, he took Spurs to the cusp of CL glory and made them credible title contenders. His failure to get them over the line on either count is a big mark against him, but I’m not defending him, just stating facts.
I don’t particularly like the dude, but to deny he did a good job at Spurs is just bloody minded silliness.
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Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
@hcz His job at Spuds is overrated, he got lucky with a youngish squad which gelled and maybe he helped it along here and there but if he was that good why sack him after just a few seasons?
He reminds me of Mourinho, gets a decent season or two out of a team before it all goes sour and he starts moaning there isn't enough money
The job he did at Spurs is looking like an outlier at the moment but spending very little and getting them to the levels they reached was undeniably impressive.
I don’t think he’s done himself any favours since leaving Spurs though. Taking the PSG job and now Chelsea, 2 very poisoned chalices. He should have really found himself a club akin to Spurs where he could have worked without the unnecessary pressure of needing to win trophies literally every season, he’s not a chequebook coach but now he’s been judged like one.
There may be some truth in that, maybe he's more of an Emery than a PepQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It’s all relative really isn’t it. Plenty of Spurs managers would have still found a way to fuck things up even with that squad….he probably got the best out of them. Does it make him a top coach? No but it does merit saying that he did a good job there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
The interesting thing about Mourinho is as much as what you’ve said is true, the irony is that he won the top prizes in football at two clubs where he had (and again I use this word) relatively far less money to spend than elsewhere. Porto was an immense achievement to win the champions league…yeah he got lucky that teams like Real Madrid and AC Milan choked, but there’s always an element of fortune with these things. Leicester got lucky that City, Chelsea etc had poor seasons and that as it turned out their two main title rivals were us and spurs.
Saying someone did a decent job at a club is not to say they are a top coach.
Plus things go sour at clubs. It’s very rare for most clubs that a coach chooses the time and manner of their departure like Klopp is.
Pochetinno is definitely more an Emery than a Pep. And I say that as someone who thinks that Guardiola is a bit overrated…I do think someone like Klopp would have achieved more than him over the same time with the same finances he had at Barca, Bayern and City.
That’s not the same as to say he’s underperformed (although arguably in terms of European success, he did at Bayern and it took him six years to make City European champions)
But my opinion is biased by the fact that I don’t like him. He comes across like a condescending prick when he talks about Arsenal.