Like SAF, Moronho will get whatever he wants. The club could easily fetch 25 mil from selling RVP. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Like SAF, Moronho will get whatever he wants. The club could easily fetch 25 mil from selling RVP. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Your own post adequately explains why Chamakh is shit. In a game where we're under the cosh, teh last thing you need is Mr Anonymous up front. It's not about the goals, it's not about missing sitters, it's about getting some time on teh ball and making yourself available so the defence can attempt top relieve some of the pressure. Gervinho had to have the ball to fuck it up, didn't he? And just by having the ball it was a help for the defence. You asked before, why get at Chamakh, he did nothing wrong. In fact he did everything wrong, as usual. He provided no relief for the defence whatsoever, therefore there was no reason for him to be on the pitch. In fact it was detrimental having him on teh pitch because we replaced a player who at least saw some of the ball. As I said, Chamakh is of benefit only to our opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
we'd never get that muchQuote:
Originally Posted by milla
Koscielny improved but he was a bombscare especially in the first half. How many times did he lose the ball in dangerous areas? Moreover, some of his attempts at playing offside were abysmal, and nearly cost us. Too often simple long balls down the middle caused us problems because of his shit positioning. Vermaelen can't return soon enough.
Apparently he was brilliant though :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Same was said before Berbatov went to Manc. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Let's be clear here, Koscielny is sh*t, there isn't a match that he plays in which goes by where he doesn't make some sort of horrendous error (or more as is often the case).....and for a defender that's awful.
He's been a terrible signing so far.
i believe you said merts was shit signing too but for a wonder goal they would have held out for a win, just like they did on saturday. if thats shit, ill take thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
No doubt people will mention the Barca home leg last season where he apparently kept Messi at bay, the same Messi who had countless chancess as he got away from Kos time and time again and thankfully had an off night with his finishing but that was all down to Kos obv who was miles away from him every time
MOTM was ScjreihkjfQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Either Scjreihkjf, Scze3nczey or Giraffe. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeYank
Koscielny arguably saved us the game, when Dortmund were pushing for a winner he made that brilliant tackle in the box to block what looked like a sure fire goal.
He's not perfect of course but we all have our favourites and scapegoats. :coffee:
If it wasn't for shoddy finishing they'd have been out of sight in the first half. The fact that they didn't score in the first half had nothing to do with good defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
i dont buy this defence is shit thing, all of dortmunds pressure, they scored one goal, late on to draw and chesney only really had about 4/5 saves to make. that shows me, they did pretty fucking good
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Considering we had 3 players signed just the other day, playing down the spine of the team, and performing for the most part like a set of individuals rather than a team, I say that's a bloody good result. As has previously been stated Dortmund's goal was a GOTS contender.
I'd blame the disjointed display on the fact they were signed so late in the summer. Give them 3 or 4 more games and we'll see a composed team at play.
Chesney did well yet again, I thought Kossie was the better of the CBs considering PM has played Bundesliga all his life (would still have preferred Samba but that's for another discussion). Saying that PM played okay.
I thought Yossi was better once he was shoved out to the left. He was a nuisance... to us!!! in the centre.
Gervinho needs to look up once in a while. TW requires a left foot.
Arteta was tidy without being outstanding. Song played well in the 2nd half, someone must've reminded him he's supposed to be a DM; a shield for the defence, not a dribbler, at half time.
But all that being said it was a good result.
funny how most moan when arsenal do what dortmund did to us today, but because its dortmund its ok. they never really had any clear shots in that half hour imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
In the 2nd half, the rest of back four was great IMO. Very unlucky with their goal. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
and based on chesneys performances so far this season, and de gea valued at 18m, i value chesney at least double that. he has been exceptional, calm, collected and makes sure he gets the ball. number one for years to come and he will be the best keeper in the world one day
Pretty much, in the final third Dortmund were awful tonight, generally very poor finishing and shooting and at times overplaying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
I do think we battled hard but we were pretty lucky their finishing was way off as well.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
One of these days you'll have to watch a match, then you'll understand I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Agree with that. The difference with him though is he puts in a great effort, his heart is there but the poor lad has no clue how to defend. He wouldn't get a sniff in any other PL team, other than maybe those newly promoted. Kos will cost us lots of points this season but he'll put in 101% effort. It's quite sad in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
That's great, Wenger will be pleased you value him at 36 million, seeing as we sold Cesc for less though can't see him being sold for anywhere near that if he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I'd feel sorry for him but he gets way too much money for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
i did watch that match, and what happened was dortmund pressurized us lots but didnt score till the last minute. now that means our defence held out till then. they didnt score millions with all that pressure, if that was arsenal, we would be moaning saying how we should have scored and all the possesion means nothing with no goals. arsenal did what htey had too, defend and counter, we nicked the goal. they just got lucky with theirs at the endQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Our defence in the 1st half was caught out numerous times with simple balls through the middle, no sign of good defending there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Dortmund were lacking in the shooting department IMO, maybe it was an off night or maybe they are generally like that, I don't know...one thing's for sure, we were lucky.
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Originally Posted by ItsMe
dont think we were, we were leading until they nicked a last minute equalizer with a good but flukey goal :) but if the situation was reversed, you would be calling for wengers head and you know it
If we beat Dortmund at home and play well in the process then I'll agree and say we got a pragmatic point today. But if we play the same way I'll just conclude we are now a very, very average team. We're so boring to watch it's hard to reconcile it with what we used to see. It's like a period of shock, some of us will take longer to come out of it I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
He is not as bad as potrayed here though. Kos is definitely the best tackler in the team, he made clean tackle looks easy. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You don't know how much money he getsQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
at the moment, how we play is irrevant as long as we get good results, a win today would have been amazing but a draw is a dam fine result too. over next few games, we just need to win, or at least draw (depends who we playing, if we have chavs etc coming up, a draw would be fine) and just get the team winning again, with that confidence will come back. wenger is right when he says, confidence goes quickly and comes back slowly. winning ugly is just what we need to do right now, get the results right, performances will follow. win first, improve secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Spot on, But whilst he's an Arsenal player ill support him unlike others. We all know he is 3rd choice anyway so he can't cost us points if he is on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Its obvious TV 5 will be 1st choice. that a new CB partnership that will have to build. But when he comes back im sure we will here how shite merts is by some on here.
Give kos a chance id say
Nah its not allowed on here if they don't play like Utd City or Barca then we have problems, feck giving the team time to gel. forget us rebuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
This thinking applies to good teams who have lost form. During those periods, exactly, get the results even if the performance is bad. But good teams find their form again. My fear is we are just a bad team, actually it's not a fear it's an observation based on the evidence. I agree, we did well today, about the best we could hope for with this team. Maybe it will be the season high point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
if we were playing like barca right now, gw would be having a meltdown. they been fucking up leadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
true to an extent, but we are not a bad team imo. if you look at our strongest team, its actually very strong imo. get jack back, get tv5 back, and we have a strong first team, strong bench and a strong youth. we will come good again, give this team time to settle in next few games, get them winning and i think they will do somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
TV is not really the first choice if he can never get on the pitch and Kos isn't really a 3rd choice if he's always starting. Fact is we should have bought another CB in the window. But Wenger has made the same mistakes as he;s made in the past, we didn't buy anyone, Kos is here so yes, let;s hope he can play above his level and do a job for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I don't think the manager will allow us to come good again. It's not just the quality of our players, which has dropped across the board, it's Wenger's crazy ideas that have been disproved over and over without any sign of him taking notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
i think he is, in last two games, it seems to me that we have been set up better defensively, transfer window, signed two experience prem players and one international. changed his policy on height with merts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
i will agree with you at end of october i there is no improvement in terms of results and performance, but if there is, (and i believe there will be) this team will know how to win both pretty and ugly and will come good