Gazidis is a waste of fucking space.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think you should read the last three paragraphs of his post again. The part asks 'why Wenger should consider resigning'.

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It’s obvious it’s not Fist of Lehmann who needs a re-read. Go read my reply to FY if you’re missing the point. Goddamn it’s quite cringeworthy to see this exhibition of an united mong front which is devoid of independent thought or even basic reading comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Super Ghel

It’s obvious it’s not Fist of Lehmann who needs a re-read. Go read my reply to FY if you’re missing the point. Goddamn it’s quite cringeworthy to see this exhibition of an united mong front which is devoid of independent thought or even basic reading comprehension.

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I don't think so. I disagree with the point you made. Quite an ego you have there, mate.

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Why do you want to do this to yourself FY? You were doing just fine earlier when you gave in to your logical sensibilities and should have just stopped there to be honest. In hindsight, now nobody can be sure if the non-mong declaration that you’ve signed earlier is the appropriate option for you any longer since your reply above clearly demonstrates your deductive prowess is no better than that of some demented, butthurt or confused soul with little to offer other than an amazing display of cerebral haemorrhage <--(go whip out your Anglo-Bengal dictionary if you must; not my problem).

Seriously, what the hell does my rich diverse vocabulary have anything to do with your incessant parroting of Wenger bashing points, which I’m not even arguing? Did you not read what I wrote? BOTH Wenger and the board are to be blamed! I am not absolving Arsene of anything! How many ways do I need to repeat myself before that point finally sifts thru your disproportionately thick cranium?

Just because I chose not to join in with the mindless foray of Wenger bashing (which has been repeated ad nauseam) does not mean I don’t hold him responsible! If laying into Wenger helps ease your mental constipation; then fine, carry on until you turn blue for all I care. That’s not the point I was making. What I’m saying is; if you continue to lay into Wenger but is OK with cutting the board some slack; then it is perfectly legitimate for any neutral person to objectively conclude that YOU ARE A MONG! So, unless that you are disputing that logical stance, then nothing has changed here, if you’re still missing the big picture.



Again, what is with your obsession with the manner in which I express myself? Did my choice of words or colourful vocabulary stung you that much; it was your sad attempt at some sort of comeback sarcasm? Well, if that is the extent of your wit, then let me just say this: It is so pathetically lame that the only way you’re going to get a rise out of me is this: (picture me lending a sympathetic hand to your cause by raising my arm and tickling my armpit furiously with a feather).

Your selective quoting and pathetic attempt above at trying to spin your retarded inferences on me is another cringeworthy display of epic proportions. Look, that snippet is NOT a blanket statement by me to postulate whether or not Arsene has any ambition footballistically; but rather the viewpoint of a neutral perspective to determine: who is the mong here (you or the Board) and whose whims Arsene should cater to first!

Like I said, if you want to bleat on like a parrot and beat Arsene to a pulp before you can regain any inklings of sanity; carry on, but it still does not change the logical conclusion of an impartial observer that you’re a mong if you think the board is the sensible party here and not the main problem! To the neutral observer, it is well within Arsene’s right and prerogative if he believes he gets more job satisfaction out of doing the right thing by listening to, or even have his manhood constantly serviced by the clued-up people (who you support as the non-mongs in this equation), and get handsomely rewarded in the process. Get it?? Goddamn! It is amusing to see the embarrassing levels of mental constipation being exhibited here by certain posters when someone doesn’t go on some mindless crusade against Wenger.

Look FY, temped as I am to deliver another can of whoop ass (though the novelty does wear out quite quickly since it’s evidently so one sided), but unless you intend to dispute the logical argument that from a neutral perspective that you are a MONG; then there’s hardly any point of us engaging further in this activity because it’s damn obvious to any impartial onlooker here, there is a huge glaring disparity between us in terms of basic cognitive ability. Jeez why do I even bother wasting my time like this, I’ll never know.

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Well again, you quoted my questions but didnt answer them. You never answered how the board is responsible for our decline footballistically? What can the freaking board do? I do understand you are blaming both the board and Arsene but I do not see how you can call out the board when factually there is no context for the BS you (and some others like you) spout on here about them.

Where do you get your facts that the board is in some way bringing the club down? I really would love to see the logic behind blaming the board for our decline over the last 5 seasons. Other than the fact that they have not fired AW, please come with ONE fact or source that says they are to blame.. go on!

As for the pathetic attempts at wind up by calling me a mong or talking about my background, I wont reply to that because some of the mods on here have a hard on against the board anyway and are selective in what posts they allow to be posted.. chances are I’ll get a warning for being racist or too harsh towards your ass. If you want to continue this, feel free to PM me

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Your empathy towards the board above is exactly the point I was trying to make! Instead of wasting my time typing, I’ll just refer you to the following important extract of my post:



Look, I have no problems at all with the Wenger bashing. It’s fair game to me and some of it, quite justifiably so. But I draw the line where cutting the board some slack is concerned, because the significance of logical due process takes precedence as far as I am concerned (regardless of how justifiably inclined you may feel otherwise).

The only other person in this forum who I can recall off the top of my head who shares my kind of aversion to the Board and their ‘sort’ is brilliant Mr Niall Quinn. Maybe it’s because I think we’re both roughly at the same level of experience in terms of having accumulated enough of that kind of déjà vu familiarity and so are naturally inclined to an immediate suspicion of that sort of devious cunning running in the background, which the masses are blissfully oblivious to. But I digress. Anyways, my point is if you’re the sort who gets off repeatedly by dumping your excrement on a picture of Arsene in the privacy of your home and have no problem of being perceived as a mong from the viewpoint of a neutral third party, then the prerogative is entirely yours.

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It's pretty obnoxious to assume 'the masses' are 'blisfully oblivious' to the Board and their 'sort'. I'm pretty sure most of us have encountered arrogant, pompous, pricks from time to time and just because we're not the type that rubs shoulders with these guys at some sort of annual black tie event, it doesn't mean we're unaware of them.

I get your argument, there is nothing wrong with my comprehension skills, what your saying is pretty basic but slightly long winded and elobarate.

Yes, both are to blame, but I'm looking in from a sporting perspective and i'm not cutting the Board slack, just saying I'm aware of their 'type'. It is very unlikely for things to change at Board level. In fact, we've seen a dramatic change in ownership, yet we're still heading in the same direction. It is very unlikey that we'll find an owner that will focus on football and winning without thinking about profits and financial gain. Whoever owns the club will be of that 'type'. It's the nature of the beast. We're probably one of the few clubs that gets praised for the way we're run and the staff we have, so we're not the worst out there. Not saying it should be excused just saying you can't change a leopards spots, it's the nature of football ownership and any sort of corporation to be fair.

We can change ownership, but I'd still have a problem with Wenger not teaching his players to defend and playing people out of position. This is why I say it's easier to change the coach. Look at it this way, when Wenger arrived, our aspirations as a club changed dramatically. With a new coach, we could possibly see the same thing. But, you are right, there is no point in going into this if the Board won't fire Wenger. But as I've said before, they've had no reason to fire him before and this is the first sign of real trouble. He has always delivered CL football so they won't rock the boat. We will see what happens if the shit hits the fan this season.

But besides the managerial mistakes from Wenger, I have a real problem with the way he 'caters' to the Board and the way people on here overlook it. This is probably why he gets 'bashed' on here so much. I don't get the sense that he's in there having to fight against the system to get his way. We don't know what's happening behind closed doors but I've got a problem when Wenger endorses the Boards policies. Stuff like promoting the rise in ticket prices so we can 'compete' with the likes of Chelsea, practically opening the door for players like RVP and mentally preparing the fans to lose another one of our vital assets, lying to the fans about signing players…okay, I get your point about not biting the hand that feeds you but if we can agree that the Board and their ‘type’ are ‘devious and cunning’ then Wenger fits in. Why is he championing their policies and ethos so hard? I can’t respect that and I guess it’s the same for a few other posters. If we had the sense that he was in there having to hold his corner and battling against this culture we have, I’d have more tolerance, but it seems to me like he’s swimming along with the tide. He’s paid by them to do so, but he doesn’t have to. When Villa tried to pull a similar stunt with Martin O’Neil, he walked because his sporting ambition wouldn’t allow him to tolerate such a culture.

It’s the same for the players. They leave us because they realize the club has no ambition and Wenger is pushing in the direction of financial prudence and responsibility. In my opinion, a sports person should be looking to improve his team and pushing that agenda on to the Board, but it looks like one way traffic from where I’m standing and the players aren’t blind either. Yes, we can blame the Board and Wenger but I see it as Wenger’s responsibility to push the teams agenda and fight to hold on to players, not preach financial prudence so much that it hurts the team. He’s a sportsperson and winning is the ultimate objective. I spoke earlier about the nature of owners but the nature of a sportsperson should be different. I mentioned this in my original post.

I’m aware of the point you’re making, but I’m not sure if you get where I’m coming from and please don’t start with the name calling and insults. It’s off putting. You can question my position and stance on this but not my intelligence. It doesn’t have to go down that route. I expect Wenger to have a burning passion to win trophies regardless of the stance the Board take. I also lose a lot of respect for him because he’s willing to compromise himself for these guys. It’s like watching your favorite artist completely sell out and pay lip service to the sharks in suites that own his record label. When you see your favorite artists or band pull such a stunt, you lose a lot of respect for them because it shows a lack of integrity. You know the nature of the beast and industry they have to work in, but you don’t blame the label, you blame the artist more because he’s sold out for the check. I feel the same way about Wenger if we’re going to talk about him ‘catering’ to a crowd. Again, he’s sportsperson and he should have an automatic burning desire to win trophies and build a championship winning team.

Can't believe people are being worked up over AW or the board. its geting boring now, Just get rid of both and be done i say.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's pretty obnoxious to assume 'the masses' are 'blisfully oblivious' to the Board and their 'sort'. I'm pretty sure most of us have encountered arrogant, pompous, pricks from time to time and just because we're not the type that rubs shoulders with these guys at some sort of annual black tie event, it doesn't mean we're unaware of them.

I get your argument, there is nothing wrong with my comprehension skills, what your saying is pretty basic but slightly long winded and elobarate.

Yes, both are to blame, but I'm looking in from a sporting perspective and i'm not cutting the Board slack, just saying I'm aware of their 'type'. It is very unlikely for things to change at Board level. In fact, we've seen a dramatic change in ownership, yet we're still heading in the same direction. It is very unlikey that we'll find an owner that will focus on football and winning without thinking about profits and financial gain. Whoever owns the club will be of that 'type'. It's the nature of the beast. We're probably one of the few clubs that gets praised for the way we're run and the staff we have, so we're not the worst out there. Not saying it should be excused just saying you can't change a leopards spots, it's the nature of football ownership and any sort of corporation to be fair.

We can change ownership, but I'd still have a problem with Wenger not teaching his players to defend and playing people out of position. This is why I say it's easier to change the coach. Look at it this way, when Wenger arrived, our aspirations as a club changed dramatically. With a new coach, we could possibly see the same thing. But, you are right, there is no point in going into this if the Board won't fire Wenger. But as I've said before, they've had no reason to fire him before and this is the first sign of real trouble. He has always delivered CL football so they won't rock the boat. We will see what happens if the shit hits the fan this season.

But besides the managerial mistakes from Wenger, I have a real problem with the way he 'caters' to the Board and the way people on here overlook it. This is probably why he gets 'bashed' on here so much. I don't get the sense that he's in there having to fight against the system to get his way. We don't know what's happening behind closed doors but I've got a problem when Wenger endorses the Boards policies. Stuff like promoting the rise in ticket prices so we can 'compete' with the likes of Chelsea, practically opening the door for players like RVP and mentally preparing the fans to lose another one of our vital assets, lying to the fans about signing players…okay, I get your point about not biting the hand that feeds you but if we can agree that the Board and their ‘type’ are ‘devious and cunning’ then Wenger fits in. Why is he championing their policies and ethos so hard? I can’t respect that and I guess it’s the same for a few other posters. If we had the sense that he was in there having to hold his corner and battling against this culture we have, I’d have more tolerance, but it seems to me like he’s swimming along with the tide. He’s paid by them to do so, but he doesn’t have to. When Villa tried to pull a similar stunt with Martin O’Neil, he walked because his sporting ambition wouldn’t allow him to tolerate such a culture.

It’s the same for the players. They leave us because they realize the club has no ambition and Wenger is pushing in the direction of financial prudence and responsibility. In my opinion, a sports person should be looking to improve his team and pushing that agenda on to the Board, but it looks like one way traffic from where I’m standing and the players aren’t blind either. Yes, we can blame the Board and Wenger but I see it as Wenger’s responsibility to push the teams agenda and fight to hold on to players, not preach financial prudence so much that it hurts the team. He’s a sportsperson and winning is the ultimate objective. I spoke earlier about the nature of owners but the nature of a sportsperson should be different. I mentioned this in my original post.

I’m aware of the point you’re making, but I’m not sure if you get where I’m coming from and please don’t start with the name calling and insults. It’s off putting. You can question my position and stance on this but not my intelligence. It doesn’t have to go down that route. I expect Wenger to have a burning passion to win trophies regardless of the stance the Board take. I also lose a lot of respect for him because he’s willing to compromise himself for these guys. It’s like watching your favorite artist completely sell out and pay lip service to the sharks in suites that own his record label. When you see your favorite artists or band pull such a stunt, you lose a lot of respect for them because it shows a lack of integrity. You know the nature of the beast and industry they have to work in, but you don’t blame the label, you blame the artist more because he’s sold out for the check. I feel the same way about Wenger if we’re going to talk about him ‘catering’ to a crowd. Again, he’s sportsperson and he should have an automatic burning desire to win trophies and build a championship winning team.

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Top post mate. :good:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's pretty obnoxious to assume 'the masses' are 'blisfully oblivious' to the Board and their 'sort'. I'm pretty sure most of us have encountered arrogant, pompous, pricks from time to time and just because we're not the type that rubs shoulders with these guys at some sort of annual black tie event, it doesn't mean we're unaware of them.

I get your argument, there is nothing wrong with my comprehension skills, what your saying is pretty basic but slightly long winded and elobarate.

Yes, both are to blame, but I'm looking in from a sporting perspective and i'm not cutting the Board slack, just saying I'm aware of their 'type'. It is very unlikely for things to change at Board level. In fact, we've seen a dramatic change in ownership, yet we're still heading in the same direction. It is very unlikey that we'll find an owner that will focus on football and winning without thinking about profits and financial gain. Whoever owns the club will be of that 'type'. It's the nature of the beast. We're probably one of the few clubs that gets praised for the way we're run and the staff we have, so we're not the worst out there. Not saying it should be excused just saying you can't change a leopards spots, it's the nature of football ownership and any sort of corporation to be fair.

We can change ownership, but I'd still have a problem with Wenger not teaching his players to defend and playing people out of position. This is why I say it's easier to change the coach. Look at it this way, when Wenger arrived, our aspirations as a club changed dramatically. With a new coach, we could possibly see the same thing. But, you are right, there is no point in going into this if the Board won't fire Wenger. But as I've said before, they've had no reason to fire him before and this is the first sign of real trouble. He has always delivered CL football so they won't rock the boat. We will see what happens if the shit hits the fan this season.

But besides the managerial mistakes from Wenger, I have a real problem with the way he 'caters' to the Board and the way people on here overlook it. This is probably why he gets 'bashed' on here so much. I don't get the sense that he's in there having to fight against the system to get his way. We don't know what's happening behind closed doors but I've got a problem when Wenger endorses the Boards policies. Stuff like promoting the rise in ticket prices so we can 'compete' with the likes of Chelsea, practically opening the door for players like RVP and mentally preparing the fans to lose another one of our vital assets, lying to the fans about signing players…okay, I get your point about not biting the hand that feeds you but if we can agree that the Board and their ‘type’ are ‘devious and cunning’ then Wenger fits in. Why is he championing their policies and ethos so hard? I can’t respect that and I guess it’s the same for a few other posters. If we had the sense that he was in there having to hold his corner and battling against this culture we have, I’d have more tolerance, but it seems to me like he’s swimming along with the tide. He’s paid by them to do so, but he doesn’t have to. When Villa tried to pull a similar stunt with Martin O’Neil, he walked because his sporting ambition wouldn’t allow him to tolerate such a culture.

It’s the same for the players. They leave us because they realize the club has no ambition and Wenger is pushing in the direction of financial prudence and responsibility. In my opinion, a sports person should be looking to improve his team and pushing that agenda on to the Board, but it looks like one way traffic from where I’m standing and the players aren’t blind either. Yes, we can blame the Board and Wenger but I see it as Wenger’s responsibility to push the teams agenda and fight to hold on to players, not preach financial prudence so much that it hurts the team. He’s a sportsperson and winning is the ultimate objective. I spoke earlier about the nature of owners but the nature of a sportsperson should be different. I mentioned this in my original post.

I’m aware of the point you’re making, but I’m not sure if you get where I’m coming from and please don’t start with the name calling and insults. It’s off putting. You can question my position and stance on this but not my intelligence. It doesn’t have to go down that route. I expect Wenger to have a burning passion to win trophies regardless of the stance the Board take. I also lose a lot of respect for him because he’s willing to compromise himself for these guys. It’s like watching your favorite artist completely sell out and pay lip service to the sharks in suites that own his record label. When you see your favorite artists or band pull such a stunt, you lose a lot of respect for them because it shows a lack of integrity. You know the nature of the beast and industry they have to work in, but you don’t blame the label, you blame the artist more because he’s sold out for the check. I feel the same way about Wenger if we’re going to talk about him ‘catering’ to a crowd. Again, he’s sportsperson and he should have an automatic burning desire to win trophies and build a championship winning team.

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I'm not going to comment on your position or stance, it's your intelligence I question!

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Jeez why do I even bother wasting my time like this, I’ll never know.

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This.

Why waste more time? Pearls and swine is the phrase that springs to mind.

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And you've got the nerve to question my overall understanding of his post. :lol:

You haven't got a clue what he said, admit it.

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Cool story bro.

Next time I feel a burning need to prove my cognitive faculties to some whoever on the internet, you'll be the first to know.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'm not going to comment on your position or stance, it's your intelligence I question!

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I'll forgive you for that shot. :lol:

I usually agree with your viewpoint, but not on this one. Wenger should have some sense of pride as sportsperson and push for a winning team even if it means butting heads with the guys that cut the checks. He doesn't appear to be doing that. It's disappointing to watch.

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I'm not going to comment on your position or stance, it's your intelligence I question!

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:haha: Nearly chocked myself reading that. Such flawless perfection.

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

This.

Why waste more time? Pearls and swine is the phrase that springs to mind.

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:good: Thanks for the reminder. Was tempted to deliver another knockout blow, but as you rightly said a pointless waste. And the novelty does wear off quite quickly.

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Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis believes the club can remain at the top of the game for potentially 20 years, regardless of what financial fair play stipulates.

Financial fair play was introduced by Uefa President Michel Platini to make sure European clubs are handling their finances effectively where teams could potentially be banned from the Champions League or Europa League as a consequence.

The Gunners CEO insists that the club will not be changing what they do, however, and believes that Arsenal's financial model is one that all clubs strive to match.

He told Sky Sports News: "We believe in what we’re doing outside financial fair play so we’re not relying on any kind of rules nor are we really changing what we do.

"We believe that what we do is the right thing to do for our football club. This idea of a sustainable model means that we can look forward with real confidence and say Arsenal will be at the top of the game five years from now, 10 years from now and 20 years from now.

"We don’t rely on anybody but ourselves for our own success and we stand on our own two feet.

"That’s a very powerful position for us and something that we believe in regardless of what Uefa do, regardless of what financial fair play entails.

"I think all clubs want to try to get themselves to that position. Every club I speak to wants to ultimately be in that position even the ones that are spending enormous amounts of money today want to move their clubs to that position."

Gazidis went on to state that the Premier League is proving to be difficult for potential investors to get involved with and suggested that football must come up with a new model to attract a bigger pool of prospective owners.

He added: "What we're seeing increasingly is fewer and fewer potential owners able to own a Premier League team.

"More and more people finding themselves stuck and thinking 'how can I compete in this environment' and we're seeing a potential pool of owners, now, it's so small, that you're looking around the world for a handful of individuals that can be a benefactor for these clubs at these amounts of money.

"The question the game has to ask itself is 'is that healthy?' or would it be more healthy, which I believe, if we could find a model where somebody could invest in football without losing their shirt."

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...-in-a-position

Yay we'll be at the top of the football tree in 20 years

You guys are too impatient

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...-in-a-position

Yay we'll be at the top of the football tree in 20 years

You guys are too impatient

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The board is the only reason this club is afloat!

Kroenke :bow:

Gazidis :bow:

PHW :bow:

Great footballing tactics deployed by the board as well, in the last few weeks! :good:

He's right tbf.

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He's right tbf.

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Indeed, if there is a correlation between income and success, and there clearly is, we are solid...solid as a rock.

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He's right tbf.

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Totally - and well put too.