Wenger Out ?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I think we need to stop looking back and muddying the waters. We should all be assessing whether he can take us forward from this point on. Here we are yet again needing to secure 4th and this time it's even more painstaking because we were competing for the title 5 games ago. Just how much progression has been made exactly? Start badly, finish well or start well, finish badly, is there a difference? Ultimately it just shows our limitations.

Do you enjoy the football we play anymore? It's not a patch on sides of the past. No I'm not silly enough to compare us to the Invincibles, I mean recent past. Where has all the creativity gone? Why are we so negative? Why did we settle for a hit and miss striker to lead the line with no viable alternatives? Why did we do nothing in January?

I've seen enough now personally. Every year is the same and we end up talking about the same things. Wenger has done wonders for us but its time to look forward, have you honestly seen signs that suggest he is the man to give us the best chance of success? No one is going to come in and change us overnight, but aren't you all bored now of this?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I think we need to stop looking back and muddying the waters. We should all be assessing whether he can take us forward from this point on. Here we are yet again needing to secure 4th and this time it's even more painstaking because we were competing for the title 5 games ago. Just how much progression has been made exactly? Start badly, finish well or start well, finish badly, is there a difference? Ultimately it just shows our limitations.

Do you enjoy the football we play anymore? It's not a patch on sides of the past. No I'm not silly enough to compare us to the Invincibles, I mean recent past. Where has all the creativity gone? Why are we so negative? Why did we settle for a hit and miss striker to lead the line with no viable alternatives? Why did we do nothing in January?

I've seen enough now personally. Every year is the same and we end up talking about the same things. Wenger has done wonders for us but its time to look forward, have you honestly seen signs that suggest he is the man to give us the best chance of success? No one is going to come in and change us overnight, but aren't you all bored now of this?

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A coherent argument expressing valid complaints. Presented without a knife being stuck in the manager's ribs. It looks like things may have already been decided behind the scenes. Wenger will stay for two more years and then move up or out. That's what it appears based on recent events. That could change dramatically if we don't win the cup. Personally I don't think the cup is a any real measure, it won't put the doubters' minds at rest and neither does it have much of an impact on what has to happen next, which is big signings in key areas. That's what will really move us on and up. The degradation of quality in the squad has been reflected on the pitch. Supposedly we now have the funds to reverse this trend. The real risk is that Wenger will not maximise the next transfer window. It's a shame the World Cup sits smack in the middle of it but nevertheless everyone at the club needs to get a result in the summer and bring in the necessary players. The money excuse is gone. Failure to perform this summer can't be pinned on lack of available funds. The funds are there and we all know it.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes I believe he settles for 4th place, he seems perfectly content with 4th place every season

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Oh cool! We can make up any old shit now, can we?

You just need to take one look at him when things are going well to see he's not 'perfectly content'.

every single thread on here has descended into a wenger in/out, pro/anti and associated fuckery

is anyone still modding on here :sulk:

this whole Arsene is happy with 4th is utter bollocks. Take a look at how he was during the first few months of the season and how he is now and then say he is happy with fourth.

During the first half of the season, he looked younger, refreshed and had that old smile back, we all noticed it, now look at him, he looks older, gets more annoyed at mistakes as the title slips away. He's never been happy with fourth, he's never been happy when he isn't winning either. He is a winner, just look at what he won with us, you don't win a league unbeaten then become happy with 4th. Its just bollocks

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Originally Posted by Letters

Oh cool! We can make up any old shit now, can we?

You just need to take one look at him when things are going well to see he's not 'perfectly content'.

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Yeah I look at him, he jumps up and down and rants a bit, then he realises that was pointless and goes back to doing what he always does, nothing ever changes so I just look at his rantings on the touchline as failry pointless. I'm not making sh*t up, just pointing out a man who has not won a thing in 8 years and continues to praise 4th place doesn't seem too bothered about the fact his team have failed to win, everytime they collapse he still somehow manages to find positive things to say about them.

He's happy with 4th, if he wasn't he wouldn't be praising the team every f*cking season for getting 4th and would do more than he does to win stuff, is there any other top manager in the history in the game who has revelled in what is in terms of winning failure for so long and been content with it?

When a manager does what he does but refuses to address the issues and do the necessary, he's either incompetent or content with what he's doing.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

this whole Arsene is happy with 4th is utter bollocks. Take a look at how he was during the first few months of the season and how he is now and then say he is happy with fourth.

During the first half of the season, he looked younger, refreshed and had that old smile back, we all noticed it, now look at him, he looks older, gets more annoyed at mistakes as the title slips away. He's never been happy with fourth, he's never been happy when he isn't winning either. He is a winner, just look at what he won with us, you don't win a league unbeaten then become happy with 4th. Its just bollocks

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Yeah I've looked the problem is he really never does anything about it in reality, that means as above he's either content with coming 4th or just incompetent and unable to fix the issues.

Was it Cesc that said at Arsenal winning was great but if we got 4th if was seen as success? People say Wenger's not happy about not winning, then I ask why he doesn't address the issues with the team/squad and why he's been able to go 8+ years without so much as a tin pot trophy and still been pleased with his teams and his performance?

Name me one other manager who has done this and can be considered top class?

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

this whole Arsene is happy with 4th is utter bollocks. Take a look at how he was during the first few months of the season and how he is now and then say he is happy with fourth.

During the first half of the season, he looked younger, refreshed and had that old smile back, we all noticed it, now look at him, he looks older, gets more annoyed at mistakes as the title slips away. He's never been happy with fourth, he's never been happy when he isn't winning either. He is a winner, just look at what he won with us, you don't win a league unbeaten then become happy with 4th. Its just bollocks

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For someone who is so desperate to win he certainly isn't doing enough with the resources he has to hand.

He went into the season pretty much without a senior striker, is this the behaviour of a manager who is desperate to win?

IMO, I don't think it's a case of whether or not he wants to win, more a case of him wanting to win "his way". It's all very idealistic and self-fulfilling IMO and he places far too much of an emphasis on his own desires ahead of the teams desires.

Of course this is simply my opinion and based on my observation of his management style.

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Originally Posted by Maestro

every single thread on here has descended into a wenger in/out, pro/anti and associated fuckery

is anyone still modding on here :sulk:

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I don't believe the job of modding a forum is to guide discussions and police what people can and can't talk about unless people are being abusive to each other.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't believe the job of modding a forum is to guide discussions and police what people can and can't talk about unless people are being abusive to each other.

:shrug:

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Letters, what's happened to GayPete?