Match reaction - Man City

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Eh?

I'm doing the precise opposite, predicting the future. That's what we were arguing about, right? Who was best at it? Well at least we can all predict the future this time around without argument, or so you would think.

There's no Wenger out btw. Not as things stand. Not unless the still significant body of arseholes who sing his name whenever he is challenged get their shit in gear. That's what's got to happen if anything is to be changed and if Wenger is to be forced out. For sure, the rest of us have been here a while. How much longer?

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Sigh

Your attempts to predict the future are pointless especially given in your last rant you suggested that a decline as sharp as you imagine wouldn’t compel Kroenke to act.

Now I don’t agree with that but it’s irrelevant given that in both our predictions the common denominator is that without Fans doing something Wenger remains, in your scenario possibly fighting relegation, in mine idling between 5th and 6th.

Now if we both agree albeit for different reasons that Kroenke won’t act, that leaves Wenger

I know you boast a lot about how much you drink, but that surely shouldn’t be difficult for a man as intelligent as you to understand.

Focus on what we agree on, we agree that in the immediate future at least Kroenke will sit on his hands

So Wenger as I’ve said now has to be the target. Bring the displeasure shown at away games to the Emirates.

If he complains that it’s us affecting results, hold our resolve and hound him out.

Instead of trying to nail down what you were right or wrong about five years ago and what you might be right or wrong about in the future. How about doing things in the here and now?.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I don't know how he's gotten away with benching Lacazette. Inexplicable. Bizarre. Incompetent. Showing all the hallmarks of a man who has totally lost the plot. He can't even make a basic team selection any more. He's a dead weight the team have to pull behind them in every match. He's doing tangible harm to the club and its reputation. Fucking hell, what does it take to get the boot around here? I can't decide if it's criminal or comical. Maybe both.

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Exactly, everyone knows Lacazette should have started, it would be like dropping Ian Wright from the team in the 90s (granted he's not Ian Wright but he's a goalscorer), you generally try and have your most dangerous players on the pitch and Lacazette is precisely that, the fact he didn't pick him isn't down to not being able to.

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Zim :bow:

Fought and battled over the years in the gladitorial arena that is GW :bow: he managed to stand tall and strong and came out the ultimate winner :bow:

"What we do in life echoes in eternity"

MaxZIMus :bow:

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Thanks :lol:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

From a top 2 title contender, to a top 4 trophy hunter, to a top 6 club with culture when all around is vulgar - what's that going to be, Moral Champions? If you can't see a decline then you are refusing to look. Maybe you are saying the decline hasn't happened fast enough to be classed as a decline? Okay then, it's a slow decline. Man Utd have won a title, lost a legend, suffered farce and regained the top 4 while we have been trudging towards our top 6 status.

Some say our titles winning teams played the best football ever seen, comparable with the great Brazilian sides of the past. That's where we were. Now we're assured a top 6 spot? Sounds a bit like a decline to me.

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Why try and reason with people that can't see their arse from their elbow? :doh:

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Why try and reason with people that can't see their arse from their elbow? :doh:

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Precisely

And this is why on the whole I no more try to reason with you than I would my Jack Russell Dog. :haha:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

From a top 2 title contender, to a top 4 trophy hunter, to a top 6 club with culture when all around is vulgar - what's that going to be, Moral Champions? If you can't see a decline then you are refusing to look. Maybe you are saying the decline hasn't happened fast enough to be classed as a decline? Okay then, it's a slow decline. Man Utd have won a title, lost a legend, suffered farce and regained the top 4 while we have been trudging towards our top 6 status.

Some say our titles winning teams played the best football ever seen, comparable with the great Brazilian sides of the past. That's where we were. Now we're assured a top 6 spot? Sounds a bit like a decline to me.

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Spot on, we are in decline, someone can put all the excuses on the table but we are, some of those years we only ended up higher up due to a collapse from other teams, it wasn't us leading the chasing pack, it was the chasing pack losing motivation after realising the title is gone.

The football has been going backwards for years, the bad results (thrashings) are more regular than ever, a lot of our wins are unconvincing and could easily have ended up as draws and we get hammered by the top sides in Europes elite competition.

The stats about the position we end up in needs context, back in the day when we came 2nd we came 2nd but we're almost always in the title hunt, last time we came 2nd we were never in it and came 2nd because Spurs collapsed after their title chances as good as disappeared.

As someone pointed out, it would be very hard for a club with our level of resources to end up much lower than we are at the moment, 6th or so is pretty low we've definitely gone backwards.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Sigh

Your attempts to predict the future are pointless especially given in your last rant you suggested that a decline as sharp as you imagine wouldn’t compel Kroenke to act.

Now I don’t agree with that but it’s irrelevant given that in both our predictions the common denominator is that without Fans doing something Wenger remains, in your scenario possibly fighting relegation, in mine idling between 5th and 6th.

Now if we both agree albeit for different reasons that Kroenke won’t act, that leaves Wenger

I know you boast a lot about how much you drink, but that surely shouldn’t be difficult for a man as intelligent as you to understand.

Focus on what we agree on, we agree that in the immediate future at least Kroenke will sit on his hands

So Wenger as I’ve said now has to be the target. Bring the displeasure shown at away games to the Emirates.

If he complains that it’s us affecting results, hold our resolve and hound him out.

Instead of trying to nail down what you were right or wrong about five years ago and what you might be right or wrong about in the future. How about doing things in the here and now?.

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Alright, well played. I thought you were serious.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Spot on, we are in decline, someone can put all the excuses on the table but we are, some of those years we only ended up higher up due to a collapse from other teams, it wasn't us leading the chasing pack, it was the chasing pack losing motivation after realising the title is gone.

The football has been going backwards for years, the bad results (thrashings) are more regular than ever, a lot of our wins are unconvincing and could easily have ended up as draws and we get hammered by the top sides in Europes elite competition.

The stats about the position we end up in needs context, back in the day when we came 2nd we came 2nd but we're almost always in the title hunt, last time we came 2nd we were never in it and came 2nd because Spurs collapsed after their title chances as good as disappeared.

As someone pointed out, it would be very hard for a club with our level of resources to end up much lower than we are at the moment, 6th or so is pretty low we've definitely gone backwards.

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Again it’s largely irrelevant but let me break it down again

1996-2005 - never finished lower than third and won three titles
2005-2016 - never finished lower than 4th but won fuck all
2016- for me unlikely to break into top four

My point has never been that we haven’t declined more that it hasn’t been incessant gradual decline

We stayed at a certain level, then dropped down before that level and then stagnated there. As of 2016 we have dropped down a tier for the first time in a decade.

It’s quibbling over terms for sure. And either way you look at it, it doesn’t point to the likelihood of progress without Big change.

And this is what I’ve been saying to NQ, the question is not about what has happened or what may happen but what is happening and what we do about that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Precisely

And this is why on the whole I no more try to reason with you than I would my Jack Russell Dog. :haha:

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I'm terrified that there's a danger like you working in the police force:lol:

If the fate of the country is in the hands of people like you we're screwed :haha:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Alright, well played. I thought you were serious.

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What’s your counter suggestion other than trying to force a consensus on who was right and when, and who will be right and to what extent
You agree that this needs to be addressed so what’s your suggestion?