That is quite challenging, tbh
Like a real life Brewsters Millions
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That is quite challenging, tbh
Like a real life Brewsters Millions
Could be that he was tired of living in Messi' shadow, everything at Barca is about Messi, he even gets a say in transfers apparently so if you're going to become the best logically you need to move to a team where you can be the star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Even when Barca were inspired by Neymar when they beat PSG Messi got the plaudits, it's no real surprise Neymar wants to play for another team that isn't setup to primarily serve one very talented individual.
Not his fault PSG paid the asking price.
So hes an egomanic then... he has to be about him being the number 1. He has gone to a smaller team in a worse league. If he wanted a challenge, he should get a normal job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
He's clearly a huge talent, he's got the potential to be the best around but when one team is setup for one particular player it's not as easy to shine and Messi is exceptional no doubt, I don't see the opportunity for him to win world footballer of the year at Barca due to Messi, at another team he may well flourish, PSG will most likely set up the team around him which will help his cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
PSG are a growing club looking to win the CL, plus maybe he wants to win the league in a different country, in addition PSG were the only ones willing to pay the release clause.
Should he aim for top 4 instead? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Neymar and his entourage are products of this shitty thing that has destroyed and replaced football. As putrid, maggot crawly things go, Neymar is an expert at playing the new game. Can he be blamed for obeying his nature in what has now become his natural environment? Probably not. You don't criticise a fly crawling on shit, that's what it was born to do. Blame goes to the scum that allowed and encouraged the game to be consumed, step by step by step through the years. We haven't seen the last of it either. They'll probably get their hateful Euro league in 2019/20 and then they can eek out some more time by jettisoning the smaller clubs and consolidating the cash pile with a few super-ex-football clubs trading on the legacy of a time when they were engaged in sport. From the ultra-corrupt filth at FIFA and UEFA, through the grubby use car salesmen at the FA and PL, down through the vehicles for vile war criminals and thieves that own the names of once great clubs, through the almost unanimously average pubbers and their media cheerleaders who insist the emperor is fully clothed even though his rotten, disease infested dick is swinging in the faces of the fans who have to fund this shit, and Mr Murdoch and his Sky TV. Thanks a lot. It's everything we always dreamed of.
It's a bit nonsense really. Since Barca bought Suarez, Messi has mainly been set up on the right, whereas before he was mainly central. Granted that leaves Neymar on the left, with Suarez central.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It's the money, of course it is. He doesn't need to pretend differently, he's earning £515k per week, £3k an hour or whatever stupidity it is.
"Earning" can be such a misleading word sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Embezzling?
LOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Season kicks off today and we still haven't finalised the Mbappe and Lemar deals.
What's the hold up FFS?
We're in the waiting to get thumped before we sign anyone period.
Now we're after Lucas Moura of PSG, apparently. Story goes we can nip in and get him now that Neymar has pitched up.
A quick, nimble, lightweight, wide attacking midfielder. A first for us. We don't have any of those. It also demonstrates the structural integrity of our transfer policy. We start out going for a quick, nimble, robust attacking midfielder who can play all across the middle, we pursue him for weeks - never quite coming up with a bid to tempt, when the price gets into the real world (and unreal as that happens to be) we bug out and now we conjure this guy up. Another replacement for Theo Walcott, who we aren't replacing by the look of it. Roll on the underbids and the waste of time.
We have also been thinking about bidding for some other midfielder. Who knows, maybe we'll get around to that some time?
Decisive and determined we might not be, but what we lack in the ability to get things done we more than make up for in the ability to make fans fume, cry and despair, all at the same time.
Fucking incompetent and overpaid turds working for this club.
Elneny confirms he's staying. Which is good. Because he's our best central midfielder. Which also means he'll probably spend most of the season on the bench.
Alexis resigned to staying for another season.
So then, the task is simple to define (if not so simple to achieve).
1. Sign Lemar - reason, show ambition.
2. Qualify for the CL - reason, Alexis' stated main concern.
3. Win the title - reason, why would Alexis leave the champions?
And the man we have to deliver these requirements is:
Arsene Wenger :doh:
Moura is an excellent player, chances of getting him with our transfer team is about 0.00000000000000000001% however, lowball bids don't work, doesn't matter how many times you make them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's a good bit of business. He can replace Özil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Linked to Dick van Dyke from Southampton after he handed in a transfer request.
Never going to happen.
Lots of rumours about Coutinho to Barca I see.
I cant believe no one wants our reject players and the salaries that come with them.
Noone wants our rejects mainly because they're rubbish, it only takes us about a decade to work that out though, but now we've been giving out big new contracts to these nobodies we also have a problem that they are highly overpaid, consequently they're happy sitting on their backsides doing nothing whilst earning big bucks.
Perez wants out but we're holding out for more money than anyone seems to want to pay at the moment, what should be happening is Walcott or Welbeck should be sold and Perez should be kept as he's far superior and will score goals, you'll have to ask the manager why he prefers a guy who's been here over 10 years and achieved nothing and a striker who can't shoot for toffee over him, one of lifes' great mysteries I think!
Bad news is we're stuck with these rejects, can't seem to sign anyone up despite a whole summer having passed and on top of that our 3 best players from last season are out of contract next summer and we've not managed to get anyone of them to sign a new contract again in a whole summer.
Not sure what the club has been doing all summer, but much like during the season it seems not much.
Chelsea want Ox for £25m according to the papers and PSG are after Alexis.
Other than that it's dead. Barca are looking at Coutinho but not Ozil. Nobody is looking at Ozil. Nothing on Perez. Nothing on Giroud....I doubt we're selling him.
Once again we're going into a season without finishing our business.
Moans that we need to lighten the squad first, well no one made you put them on silly wages Arsene
It hasn't taken Wenger long to demonstrate what a catastrophe it was for the club when he signed that new contract. Expecting this guy to change is like expecting Letters to sort his toasting habits out. Not only is Wenger incompetent but he revels in it, viewing the contract fuck-ups with our stars as "ideal". This is a guy who makes the same old mistakes over and over because he doesn't view them as mistakes in the first place. The poor, senile bastard thinks he's doing a great job.
As some predicted it's been all change this summer, he's finally seen the light and changed his ways realising last season was simply unacceptable. Got the signings in early, got rid of deadwood, new backroom staff, amazing, you wouldn't have believed it could happen.
TY woz right
They want them but just not at the prices we are demanding or the wages the players are demanding. It's no coincidence that most of them are happy to pick up their inflated wages here without getting anywhere near the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I find it incredible that in a inflated market we are still unable to shift them, so much garbage in our squad bought or stagnated by Wenger!
One of our best bits of garbage is Debuchy, we can't even give him away on a free transfer because his wage demands are too high, incredible stuff! :lol:
Just reading about Danny Rose’s outburst with the media. He’s open to leaving Spurs and reports say he’s on £65k a month. I think that’s the case with a lot of Spurs players. They’re on low wages. It highlights how much we overpay. Gibbs is on £60k a week and not even a regular in the first team. I hear Bellerin is already on £100k a week. Ox is on £65k already.
We really need to rethink our strategy when it comes to wages for young players. Not even Watford want Gibbs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ran-Gibbs.html
Speaking of Bellerin, what do you think will happen if Barca were to make a bid for Bellerin? Will the £100k ward them off? I doubt it. Would we be prepared to match Barca’s wage offer if they came for him? I doubt that as well. Or even if Barca don’t come in for him and we manage to sit him down for new contract talks, I’m sure we’ll have a nose bleed once Bellerin starts asking for anything north of £130k a week. If he’s not performing well, it’s even harder to justify those wages and we’ll have a problem shifting him on. We end up shooting ourselves in the foot.
We're asking for too much money for these players who aren't much good, 16 million for Gibbs? We might overpay for nobodies who haven't performed but other clubs won't especially injury prone ones, we'd be lucky to get 8 million for him.
If I was the club I'd just take what I could get to get them off the wage bill, Debuchy, Gibbs, Wilshere, Jenkinson, just get rid for whatever you can get. Perez is the exception, he's decent and frankly we should be keeping him over the likes of Wellbeck, if Everton want to pay 30 million for him I'd bite their hand off, he's very average and won't score more than 6-7 goals a season, his career has proven that.
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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
We get used to bad things that happen slowly and we ignore and ridicule prescience, in the main. Hence we can end up in a strange world where the above sentence can be printed in a national "news" paper.Quote:
Rose, believed to be earning £65,000 per week, told The Sun's Dave Kidd: 'As with everyone else in my team, in my opinion, I am worth more than I am getting.
"Believed to be earning £65,000 per week" - evidence the world is indeed flat.
"I am worth more than I am getting." - evidence that Tony Blair is a religious man.
It's only going to get harder for sane people to remain sane. The pressure is relentless.
Speak for yourself. Fans need to decide whether they want to be part of the circus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
We kick off tomorrow and it's the first time in decades I can't be bothered - at all. There is no excitement or anticipation - at all. My enthusiasm has been declining season by season, and not just because of Wenger. Now it is drained and dry. A summer of watching these greedy pigs clawing their way to unprecedented disgrace without showing a hint of shame has helped me see very clearly. I already knew what was crawling under the rock, but lifting the rock has made the obscenity unavoidably real.
If they were any good I could almost tolerate it. But most of these fuckers are pubbers. They've become the poster children for everything that's wrong with this world. Those corporate scumbags are good, really, really good. To be able to get you to hate the thing you fanatically supported.
Watch Icarus on Netflix. And then extend it outwards for a full view of what passes as sport. They're all Russians now, despite the frantic PR.
I’ll add Icarus to my watch list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The money in football is obscene. But it’s Wenger and Arsenal that have really killed my interest for the game. If we were playing really well and doing something interesting on the pitch, I’d find a way to watch regardless of how silly things have gone with the money.
I think of other industries, like film, TV, music….they all make a ridiculous amount of money but it always comes back to the art and enjoying what’s produced. I pay attention to the commerce side of those industries but it’s not at the forefront of any debates or discussions I have about film or music. It doesn’t affect how I enjoy it. Why is it that people on here are saying the opposite about football? Would we care about how it’s all financed if it were actually enjoyable? I think Wenger and the club have played their role in pushing commerce to the front of the queue when thinking of what happens on the pitch. Financial doping, social wage structures…telling the fans that we can’t compete because we haven’t got the money….it has all played a part.
Our nations aren't run by governments, they are run by corporations.
Our sport isn't run by sportsmen, it is run by corporations.
Our ______ isn't run by ______, it is run by corporations.
It's not the money in itself, it's the fact the money has taken away another component of life and reduced it to a steaming pile of shit. The reason we aren't playing good football, and the reason why hardly any team that isn't stacked from goal to striker with world class talent isn't playing decent football is fear of losing the damn money. Success has become not losing, rather than winning. And this attitude kills sport stone dead. The same thing is happening in art. Financial formulae have replaced plot, character development. There are very few good films made each year when you consider it. Some artists won't compromise in terms of their art, but money and politics affects them in other ways. Try being a non-lefty director in Hollywood. This has always been a problem, but now the crisis is severe. Directors are going the way of Jose Mourinho. To get on the screen they need to tick certain boxes or forget it. Hollywood has driven the whole transgenderism nonsense. Without Hollywood it would never have gained an inch. Science is the same. No budget? No science. Want the budget, then you better get loaded up on conformity. And the conformity is not based on idealism. Far from it. It's a money thing. Again.
The Internet is about the only thing left. And they are coming for that too.
And you could ask, what about books. True. Book burning is only in its infant stage (but developing fast). Which is why we have mobile phones. Books? Old hat. Soon to be extinct. It's a horrible, regressive world we're sleepwalking into, and football is a part of it. Wait and see. Soon there will be no fans at all. No seats in the stadiums. It'll all be virtual. Automatons in headsets cheering on their brand in approved language for fear of their feed being cut. Shout, "Ref, you cunt!", and it will be added to the crowd noise as, "Oh dear, I really don't agree with that decision by the ref, although I respect his/ her/ their/ its right to hold a different opinion." Coming to a nightmare near you. Wait. Watch. Like I said, bad things happen gradually for fear of them being recognised as bad.
I think Liverpool should sell Coutinho and buy Diego Costa and Van Dijk.
Chelsea are desperate for players and why would they sell Matic to Utd for only 40 million and Conte is getting very frustrated and who knows what will happen with him.
Morata will need lots of time to settle.
Spuds are bound to sign Barkley surely.
Arsenal are pathetic as always.
Man City and Man Utd have done well so far this summer, although Lindelof looks a bit dodgy at the moment and will need time to get used to this league.
All too cynical, NQ. That level of cynicism will make it hard to find the art in anything.
Cynicism is the new optimism. You have to master doublethink to appreciate it fully. Are you telling me that everything isn't in the grip of sick bastards? I say it is and I say there's a mountain of evidence to support that claim. I also think it's easy enough to look back a decade, maybe two, and compare and contrast without considering the drip effect of each new corruption layered upon corruption. What do you see when you make that comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
It is, indeed, hard to find the art in anything modern. I'm sure there must be something, but it'll be inertia. The species has chosen this shit, it's the way we seem to want to be. It's not as if these vile scum have forced anything on us, we've asked for it and it has been delivered.
I hope so :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
You monster!