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I heard he got a better job offer, Not just boss at 1 club but boss of a sports franchise. More money, more power
Yes but it was Talksport so I immediately disregarded itQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I should perhaps have been clear and said I hadn’t seen anything from anywhere reputable
By the way you know who Talksport are owned by don’t you?
He didQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
you were so desperate to get one over me you didn't read it properly - it says 'Teamtalk' :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
HCZ :getcoat:
:pal:
He literally says to me, "Didn't read yur post - but here's why you are wrong!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Someone’s got a persecution complex :lol:, but I won’t lie I was kind of hoping you hadn’t done your homework and linked to a media source from a company owned by Murdoch. But I’ll admit that’s more on me because I can’t imagine why anyone would care so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Never even heard of Teamtalk although I edited my own message because predictive text had strangely changed it to Teamtalk and I changed it back to Talksport :lol: @ me
Another person with a persecution complexQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No I say with you, I’m not reading your posts because they are long, boring and they give me synesthesia as I can smell and even taste the stale sweat of your feverish paranoia on most of them
At least Mac has the decency to be wrong with brevity most of the time
Ok, this post is very old now but when are we going to actually sack the rookie? Yet another piss poor performance today and apparently we don't need a striker? All the money he has spent and we can't beat the whipping boys of the Premier league. Arteta out..... asap.
More to the point, when will the thread title be changed to 'By when will Arteta be sacked?'
I continue to live in hope...
Or simply “When will Arteta be sacked?”Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
This really is the pits for me. The green light was there to go when Rodri got injured, this should have been our season. And even without the striker we need I think we had enough in the squad. The only person holding us back is the same person that’s been holding us back for years. Today for example, the way Everton set up wasn’t a surprise it’s the exact way they’ve set up the last two times they’ve been to the Emirates under throat cancer boy. Yet we play the same system, the same tactics…think we might be able to nick a goal from a set piece or a bit of individual brilliance by Saka.
Because ultimately for this man even if you’re playing Everton the goal getting is an afterthought, something we will manage at some point.
At half time I wasn’t that bothered, I thought well plenty of games are 0-0 at half time for us. What enraged me, were the substitutions. Not the players being brought on, Nwaneri and Trossard of course you want to bring them on when chasing a game (Jesus not so much) it was the fact that they were like for like substitutions. Didn’t even consider the idea of adding an extra man in attack in a game where we had 75% of the ball. You get the ball moving more quickly you load the box with players so they’ve got an extra man to mark, you make life more difficult for them.
Would it definitely have got us three points? No but if you don’t do that….in my view you haven’t even tried to win the game
After 16 games:
2022: 43 points
2023: 39 points
2024: 30 points
Sigh.
Compared to last season (which was also pretty poor in the first half)
We have the same amount of clean sheets and the same amount of goals conceded
We’ve only scored four fewer (and the difference is that we’ve scored two pels this season, compared to six then)
As I said a few weeks ago, we were discussing around this time how we controlled games but weren’t creating enough chances, the build up play was too slow. The difference is we were getting a lot of last minute goals that we aren’t getting this time around
It's just insane that we keep ON wasting chances to chip in to Liverpool's lead. Chances that Chelsea aren't failing.
Fulham away...we knew that was a banana skin and we did at least get a point. But Everton are dogshit, to fail to beat them at home is unforgiveable.
City have now P7 W1 D1 L5. It has to be the worst run they've had for ages. And the result is us being an embarrassing 3 points above them.
Crazy thing is we know the team can play direct football at tempo and we know it rips all the sub-standard defences in this league to shreds. Seen it. Wonder why the coaches at the club won't see it? I know you can't play that way for 90 minutes and I know if you play that way against a superior team you'll get you arse handed to you - only thing is, I can't think of a single superior team in Europe right now. We have every weapon required to rip a dodgy Liverpool defence or shit on a glory coasting Bayern. And we could go through deadbeat outfits like the bottom 16 of the PL like a blowtorch through melted butter. So instead, tip, tap, tip, tap. One of these days we're going to end up with 100% possession in a 0-0 borefest and everyone at the club will be beaming. 100% possession - WE DID IT! Going to be bigger than the Invincibles, you wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I wouldn't be surprised that this robotic possession game is part of some galaxy-brained desire for players to expend less energy per game or something. It's ironic that the team we most resemble in possession a lot of the time is Citeh...and instructive that their own slow build up play has nullified their record-breaking striker. Could it be that buying a striker while playing the same ploddy game against low blocks would not actually make that much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The other question I have is how, suddenly, can all of our MF and attackers not finish? Is it a time thing (most of the time we have so little space to operate in that shots have to be rushed); a composure thing or a lack of practice in the kind of conditions that we mostly face with 11 players behild the ball?
One things for sure, when you read or listen to non-Arsenal specific football content noone is surprised by our failure to capitalise this season, because we have been the team that can't produce when it really matters for years. Maybe that's why noone has any sympathy for the 'bad luck' that we seem to suffer. We are perceived as bottlers who look for excuses rather than warriors who don't accept them.
Results like these might be brushed off in the 2nd or 3rd year of the project. In the 5th year - they are evidence of a lack of mettle.
It’s not that they can’t finish, Monaco was a game where players missed glaring chances. Against Everton there weren’t chances, there were half chances in a congested penalty area. As I said to someone on Saturday, we could have had Thierry Henry in the side and we would have struggled to break them down, short of some brilliant individual goal.
But the lack of an individual brilliant goal is more a feature than a bug, Arteta even himself admitted that he didn't want to relinquish the control we had of the game by bringing on an additional attacker.
I’m reminded a bit of this
https://youtube.com/shorts/8OYC5wA3G...gNRkH9H5au6EV-
We've often gone through these periods of nobody being able to kick a ball straight. I'm thinking it comes down to the mechanical nature of our game. We focus so much on safety it robs the players of the natural, individual spontaneity we saw in that kid Amad yesterday. Commentators drone on about players "expressing themselves", well there may be something to it. Confidence comes from achievement, when there's nothing out of the ordinary to achieve except keeping possession and making pretty patterns, when the game plan is to exhaust the opposition, there's no requirement for the spontaneous. Swords are blunted and eventually become cudgels.
I agree with them except for the parts where they try and absolve the manager of blame.Quote:
Henry hits out at ‘predictable’ Arsenal and decision-making of star who ‘has to offer more’
Arsenal legend Thierry Henry believes “a lot of things need to change” for his former side to win the Premier League as they have become too “predictable” under Mikel Arteta.
The Gunners have have won just eight of their opening 16 games of the season as they look to win their first Premier League title since Henry and his fellow Invincibles won it under Arsene Wenger in 2003/2004.
Arteta’s side are currently third in the table, six points behind leaders Liverpool, and have been criticised over their style of football this season, with their reliance on set pieces frequently highlighted by fans and pundits.
On Monday Night Football, Jamie Carragher said: “When you’re watching them they’re not passing the eye test in terms of looking creative.
“You see that belief from Liverpool and you’re struggling when you’re watching Arsenal.”
Henry agreed with Carragher and claimed it’s too obvious how Arsenal are going to attack, but doesn’t believe Arteta is to blame for their struggles, instead highlighting the poor decision-making of the players and Gabriel Martinelli in particular.
Henry said: “They’re very predictable. It is outstanding to score from set-pieces. The last three goals in the league are from set-pieces.
“When you see Liverpool going forward you see [Joe] Gomez, [Darwin] Nunez, [Diogo] Jota running. But with Saka you know he’s going to play to [Martin] Odegaard.
“When you are in trouble at Arsenal the ball goes to Saka. Arsenal do create but it’s the choices they take.
“Martinelli knows he can give three people tap-ins if he goes inside but he goes outside.
“When you watch Arsenal you think the only way they look like scoring is a set-piece – we didn’t create a lot against Man United [when two goals from corners earned a 2-0 win].
“There’s not a coaching problem. No-one jumps at Arsenal anymore but if you don’t have bodies in between the lines to create decoys it’s going to be difficult if you give your ball to the winger on the right or the left.
“A lot of things need to change in order to win the Premier League. When I see Liverpool play it looks like they’re trying to win it and others look like they’re trying not to lose it.
“If you’re going to win the league you need to grab it and win it. You have to find a solution.
“In my team they helped on the other side (right). Everyone need to score and be important. Freddie [Ljungberg] used to make that run in between lines and score.
“If you want to be champions, people adapt to what you do. What are you going to bring year on year?”
Jamie Carragher added: “Martinelli has to offer more.”
Asked if Arsenal need to add a goalscorer to their squad, Carragher continued: “I don’t think it’s a striker necessarily but I think it’s an attacking player. For me, when you see this lad, Saka, on the right side and you see what they have on the left, it’s like chalk and cheese.
“Now, Martinelli and Saka, a few years ago were almost at a similar level but Saka has jumped up to be one of the best players in European football in his position but Martinelli unfortunately hasn’t joined them.
“I’ve always felt, last two years and even this year, the reason I’ve never gone for Arsenal is I feel they’re a world class attacker short. When I think of the other teams that Chelsea have, that Liverpool have, that City have, I don’t think they’ve got that quality.”
https://www.football365.com/news/hen...tar-offer-more
The team's "robotic" play is directly the manager's doing. Our predictable and preferred line of attack on the right is directly his doing but I'll get to that later . The predictable and consistent lobbing the ball from the wings is again a system he has robotically forced them to play, despite the whole world knowing that our attackers are below average in heading the ball and snap one hit decision making.
As for Martinelli, again I blame Arteta, because as I pointed out a while ago, Arteta was ready to throw the cheque book and go all in for Mudryk, despite knowing that Mudryk could only play in Martinelli's position. He's never shown the willingness to do anything like that for anyone who plays Saka's position.
It is clear he had spotted a deficiency in Martnelli's game (before most people did) and yet did the minimal in aiding the player with quality support, and worse, the minimal in aiding the team, by patching us up with Trossard whose best contributions have come playing more inward as a fake 9....but even he has caught the Jesus bug.
Arteta needs to save face and try and make miracles happen this winter window, and he has no one to blame but himself as its doubtful that any serious team will give us their best attacking talents in January when they are busy chasing trophies.
Why is it clear he spotted a deficiency in his game, as for Mudryk whilst he is right footed…he plays on both sides of the wing for Ukraine and it was likely he was scouted as a utility player. And despite you constantly trying to hammer home this narrative that we were looking to replace Martinelli….it was more because we had zero depth on the left at the time
Martinelli has a frustrating tendency as Henry points out to not use his pace enough to take on his man and cuts inside too often, not an original observation and it’s one I’ve been making for years. But equally no one is going to thrive on the left with that ridiculous inverted full back system and playing defensive midfielders in the no8 position.
Martinelli thrives when he has a player like Calafiori playing behind him. And he’s becoming a scapegoat for a manager who sets up the team not to lose rather than to win.
I agree with Thierry and with you regarding our robotic play.
The telling point for me is “A lot of things need to change in order to win the Premier League. When I see Liverpool play it looks like they’re trying to win it and others look like they’re trying not to lose it".
Also, I'm beginning to think that a new striker won't solve our issues. These are that we tend to be fine when teams are more open - in the CL or when we score first and the other team has to come out to try to score. But when faced with a low block, the manager's obsession with control means that there is no space to create good chances to score. Our possession game is undoubtedly robotic and we can't seem to switch it up and keep doing the same things - seemingly with a belief that we will untimately prevail. We are too predictable. And we do indeed often play as though we are trying not to lose rather than trying to win - this goes for individual games as well as the league. What frustrates me most is that we have the quality in defence to take risks by playing an extra attacker in the latter part of games when we need to score. But the manager refuses to do so - and more generally seems happy effectively playing two 6's in every game.
I struggle to believe that if told to come inside more, Martinelli would not do so. Also, I think that he is one of those players who rely on instinct - something that seems to have been coached out of him.
I differ from you slightly in the finishing issue. IIRC Odegard had a clear chance to score on Saturday but fluffed his lines, and if we are going to succeed with our current system, we have to finish even half chances because that is all we are going to get against well drilled defences.
I've said it before but for me, our attitude in the home game against Brighton set the tone - we were 1-0 up but Rice was sent off, so Arteta organised a defensive change, planning to take Trossard (I think) off and bring a defensive player on - but then Brighton scored before that change was made - he then had a decision to make - did he go ahead and make us more defensive, hanging onto a point, or stay more attacking and try to win the game - which any team hoping to win the league would do and indeed Liverpool do.
He went ahead and made that change and pretty much wrote off any chance of our getting three points - then against Borumnemouth it was a similar story - we lost that game - so that's 1 point from 6 - but if he'd tried to win both and succeed in winning just one - that's two additional points
This exactly sums up that quote: "When I see Liverpool play it looks like they’re trying to win it and others look like they’re trying not to lose it".
If I’m honest I’m not too bothered by being defensive when down to ten men, I agree with IBK that the overall attitude is robotic but equally we do not have the quality and depth in attack to make it a worthwhile risk. Against Everton? It was 11 vs 11 they showed zero attacking ambition and couldn’t get out of their own third even if they had.
I think personally that instead of one point from six, we would have ended up with zero points from six. 11 vs 11 I think unquestionably we need to be more bold…there are clear instances where we are able to mount a decent counter attack plus the more attacking players the less likely the build up play is slow. But without a top finisher, i think it would end up being for nought with ten men.
Also the one thing no one says about Liverpool, is that between the period where Gakpo equalised and Fulham went 2-1 up, they weren’t pushing for a second goal. They were mainly attacking because they were chasing the game when they were behind. Yes they went for it a bit more at 2-2, but even then they didn’t go overboard….this was a team happy with a point rather than disappointed with not getting all three
Martinelli has lost his pace though. He used to be able to sprint away and leave players in the dust, now they just pace alongside him and half the time manage to make a tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
He's 23!Quote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you lose your pace at that age?!
No I think that’s far more reflective of how long it takes to get the ball to him, by the time he gets it he’s being tightly marked and you can’t always use speed to get past someone directly in your wayQuote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
Letters, are you being serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I mean I am not agreeing his problem is his pace or physicality ( unfortunately I think his problem, like most Brazilian talents is in his head ), but you can definitely lose your pace at a young age, especially in a demanding sport like football.
Obviously injuries can change your pace and even the way you run ...but also changes in the body (which could be be caused by external or inherent internal traits/factors) could also result to a loss of pace.
I actually think its quite normal for young fooball players who started early to appear slower pretty fast and freaks like Kyle Walker, who maintain that pace for long, are quite rare.
Hell I even think Saka seems slower, but I am not surprised at all.
I think in terms of actual ability there is less than a gnats cock difference between Martinelli and Saka in terms of raw ability, they both have very similar attributes. I think Saka benefits from attacks being focused on the right, and I think Saka works harder….he will track back, he will drop deeper to receive the ball etc. Martinelli is a player who I regard as highly talented in terms of both pace and technical ability. It would be nice if he had the work ethic of Saka but it’s not going to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBk_MC8YZ8
A nice video on this.
Good to see Raheem really bonding with us, though he seems to be the only one shocked at his decline :lol:
Its funny how defenders speeds are usually quite underated, despite stats consistently suggesting they are the fastest players. It probably helps that they get the comfort of not having to pause or bend their runs.
https://dailycannon.com/2024/10/gabr...i-sprint-speedQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
The amount of sprints stat is really important and should be taken more into consideration...but could also be whats slowing all the attackers down :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
If only Havertz could make all his running and distance covered stats result into crucial goals...their would probably be no need for this Arteta sack thread.
To think our players consistently work harder than everyone and achieve less....yet the coach seems unbothered about it.
A bit like the Klopp vs Slot scenario playing out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK0j2cGiW3o
Here's the proper video on youtube...... pretty good stuff from Titi
I think it's been more noticeable since he was out for a while with that injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He has lost a yard of pace at least since then.
No as there have been countless times in games now where a longer ball has been played out to him and defenders don't have as hard a time keeping up with him as they used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
He literally is not as quick as he was, I don't know how people can't see it :shrug:
I really don’t agree that he has, but I don’t know for sure. I think more often than not I think it’s more about the space he has to operate in. End of the day as I keep saying most of the time the defender has the space and time to catch up because the build up towards getting the ball to Martinelli has been slow
I tend to defend him a lot so I am biased anyway, but I think he’s often the convenient lightning rod, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Trossard is also struggling at this moment in time which has more to do with an inflexible system.
But the reason I defend him is because I think he’s one of the most naturally talented players we have in terms of pace both and technical ability.
That's great and all but how do his stats compare against players from other teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Surely that would be more relevant as I would say most of our players hardly bust a gut to sprint up the pitch when an attack is on (at least not this season so far)
Oh don't get me wrong, I like the guy and still think he's great, but I can only comment on what I am seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
His ability (whether it be physical or mental) to run and leave players in the dust like he did prior to his long term injury, has clearly diminished.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c0kjykv4z78oQuote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
He's the 5th fastest in the PL, apparently (which surely contradicts any assertion that he's lost his speed).
He is nearer the bottom of the table when it comes to who has completed the most sprints at each club (although I'd note this is from a couple of months ago). That could indicate that he's a bit lazy, or maybe it's just our languid style of play which doesn't lend itself to much sprinting.
He needs to go now, no waiting until the end of the season.
He had an open goal for the league and he skied it into the stands like Chris Waddle
I can’t and won’t forgive this.
Yep.This.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Liverpool have won the league in early January because Arteta is a rookie manager who has spent a fortune and won fuck all (please no one embarrass themselves by mentioning the FACup). The Kroenke family should not give him any more money to waste and start looking for a proper manager.