Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

There is something there with Welbeck, he has the tools but not the finesse. My problem is who is going to teach him to be a dead eye assassin. Boro Primorac?. Who has made great strides in quality amongst our front players in a decade. Only RVP and he had been marked for greatness early on. Given how poorly Walcott has progressed over the years i have scant hope that Welbeck will get there. Chuba Akpom seems ahead of him at the same age. I hope he stays on loan for a few more seasons at other clubs, rather than coming back to stagnate in our unfit for purpose training regime.
Now if we could get Bergkamp, Henry or Wright to come and work with the strikers then maybe. But not likely with Wenger in charge of all things Arsenal.

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I really don't know how you rate Welbeck over Walcott. I don't see it at all. Welbeck had no effect on the way we played when up front. Still can't play him in behind the striker because his movement is poor and his link up play wasn't that great either. He just seemed anonymous for most games. I'll give him a chance over Giroud based on potential but I don't think he's better than Giroud. For most of our players there is something there. Even Sanogo. If that kid could sharpen up his first touches and have more zip in shot we'd have our man. His link up play with the team is very good, it's just the other areas. With Welbeck, I can't say he excels at anything besides being a nice lad. He works hard but it's nothing exceptional.

Also, speaking of development, there is a reason why Sturridge left Chelsea and Welbeck Utd. They were tired of playing on the flanks and weren't progressing. It's a similar story for Theo but he's actually progressed as a player in that position but not to his full potential. I don't know what striker in this day and age gets his training on the flanks and I think Wenger has led him wrong.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Top players don't necessarily make good coaches. Many examples but take Tony Adams. Henry seems like bit of an idiot, unfortunately. Talks a ridiculous amount of shit. Understandable, it came very naturally to him but he's not going to be someone who can teach limited players like Welbz to get to their best.

If we're going ex-players, the one who usually talks intelligently about the game is Keown. Important to have some extra perspective that the Sky clowns don't have and he is a lot more insightful. Would like to see him take on management/coaching elsewhere first.

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We are talking about coaches, not managers. Two very different things, which you seem to have confused yourself over. How the heck is a defender Keown going to coach Welbeck to be a better striker.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

We are talking about coaches, not managers. Two very different things, which you seem to have confused yourself over. How the heck is a defender Keown going to coach Welbeck to be a better striker.

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Ah. Fair enough. Not convinced Henry would make a good coach in any case, for the reasons I outlined. if he's got a bit more to his insight that he's hiding from the sky cameras then fine. He comes across as a thick twat on there though. Would sooner listen to Neville.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I really don't know how you rate Welbeck over Walcott. I don't see it at all. Welbeck had no effect on the way we played when up front. Still can't play him in behind the striker because his movement is poor and his link up play wasn't that great either. He just seemed anonymous for most games. I'll give him a chance over Giroud based on potential but I don't think he's better than Giroud. For most of our players there is something there. Even Sanogo. If that kid could sharpen up his first touches and have more zip in shot we'd have our man. His link up play with the team is very good, it's just the other areas. With Welbeck, I can't say he excels at anything besides being a nice lad. He works hard but it's nothing exceptional.

Also, speaking of development, there is a reason why Sturridge left Chelsea and Welbeck Utd. They were tired of playing on the flanks and weren't progressing. It's a similar story for Theo but he's actually progressed as a player in that position but not to his full potential. I don't know what striker in this day and age gets his training on the flanks and I think Wenger has led him wrong.

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as bad as England are, Welbeck has scored goals playing for them. Even ye old England manager is not stupid enough to play Walcott as a striker. This is not a shout out for Welbeck but he would be a better coice as striker than Walcott. he has almost all of Walcotts pace with a physical presence added. He needs to add composure which both he and walcott both lack. Giroud could be a monster player, but he is not a warrior, gets easily cowed by defenders, has no pace , no tricks and is one footed. He is also not going to get any better with age, Welbeck might.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Top players don't necessarily make good coaches. Many examples but take Tony Adams. Henry seems like bit of an idiot, unfortunately. Talks a ridiculous amount of shit. Understandable, it came very naturally to him but he's not going to be someone who can teach limited players like Welbz to get to their best.

If we're going ex-players, the one who usually talks intelligently about the game is Keown. Important to have some extra perspective that the Sky clowns don't have and he is a lot more insightful. Would like to see him take on management/coaching elsewhere first.

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He should have stayed on. He was working with our defence during that CL final run and when we had the best defensive record. Bould's had a positive impact on our defence as well.

I don't think Henry can work miracles with our strikers but I think he could teach them a thing or two about time in the box, not rushing chances and getting a good clean strike on the ball. It's very simple but was listening to Ian Wright talk about striking technique and I think we need a coach that can show these boys how to sort their feet out. Welbeck and Sanogo are the worse and look like Bambi on ice when it comes to sorting their feet out. Gervinho had the same problem.

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Originally Posted by Letters

We needed to spend proper money on a proper striker. I don't know whether we failed to because we didn't try enough, because the players weren't available, or didn't want to come to us or whether Wenger is simply putting his trust in the players he has. Either way on his head be it if we fail to challenge again, but signing another player with potential, or signing another 'Welbeck' for the sake of having another player wasn't the answer.

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Do you seriously believe the things you say? Or do you have this standpoint just so GW stays alive? I understand if its the later because as a mod, this is a fantastic line of thinking.. if its the former, then I dont even know what to say!

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Originally Posted by Syn

Ah. Fair enough. Not convinced Henry would make a good coach in any case, for the reasons I outlined. if he's got a bit more to his insight that he's hiding from the sky cameras then fine. He comes across as a thick twat on there though. Would sooner listen to Neville.

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You are expecting a bit too much from TV personalities. Not everyone can be like Roy Keane, who doesnt give a FK and seems to hate every other inhabitant of this planet. Next thing youll be telling me you expect politicians to say what they really think.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Top players don't necessarily make good coaches. Many examples but take Tony Adams. Henry seems like bit of an idiot, unfortunately. Talks a ridiculous amount of shit. Understandable, it came very naturally to him but he's not going to be someone who can teach limited players like Welbz to get to their best.

If we're going ex-players, the one who usually talks intelligently about the game is Keown. Important to have some extra perspective that the Sky clowns don't have and he is a lot more insightful. Would like to see him take on management/coaching elsewhere first.

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Top players don't necessarily make bad coaches either - doesn't mean Henry won't be a good manager just because you think he's an idiot - he speaks quite highly of you.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I don't know where you have been for the past year, but he did do that. He signed this bloke called Alexis Sanchez, who scored 25 goals for us last season.

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Sanchez isn't an out and out striker, he's more of a winger/attacking midfielder, scores plenty of goals but we still need an out and out 25 goal striker and Sanchez is not him.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Do you seriously believe the things you say? Or do you have this standpoint just so GW stays alive? I understand if its the later because as a mod, this is a fantastic line of thinking.. if its the former, then I dont even know what to say!

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But he sometimes Wums by accident!!