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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Asked by Absolute Radio about Wenger’s future, Wrighty said: “I wouldn’t like to see him go, I’d like to see him bring people in that he’s going to listen to.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Asked by Absolute Radio about Wenger’s future, Wrighty said: “I wouldn’t like to see him go, I’d like to see him bring people in that he’s going to listen to.
That's not what Wright said. That's santa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Cripps
this raises a very interesting and difficult question. who spreads more bullshit, goal.com or robson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
That's not the same as saying he's the Wright man for the job. I don't think anyone would like to see Wenger's reign end like this because it's pitiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
I see you disagree with Robson then. Typical wenger lover. You must have loved the Bradford gameQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Where's the BS part?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Goal.com, its all made up BS tbh. Robson is a **** but he some of the things he says may be bitter but have truth to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Goal.com is all BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Ok and what's that got to do with Robson being spot on? Typical defence from the Wenger lovers coming out here :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
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Originally Posted by Cripps
This has nout to do with Robson. Just stating Goal. com is all BS. Robson did not talk to them, the got his quotes from somw where else like they always do.
Once again Charile has a shocker :lol:
From the guy who believes every word from goal.com :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
unlike Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers we (quite rightly so) have a closed ranks policy on what goes on in the dressing room and on the training ground.
Really depends which way you look at it, is Wenger a particurlarly a good delegator?......no i don't imagine he is.....the chief executive of the club was pretty much vetted by him which suggests he does wield too much influence on the club for a manager. However is he dictatorial in his approach?....No i don't think so, I don't imagine for a moment he refuses to listen to people or tries to have someone sacked for questioning his approach and I imagine he is probably quite prepared to listen to advice.....but there is a difference to listening to advice and taking it and that for me is certainly what he does not do.
Arsene Wenger doesn't strike me as an abrasive or ignorant person who dismisses any view point that's not his own, but I imagine he is of the mindset that "You may have a valid point but for better or worse I must stick to my principles", and i think he has become firmly entrenched in these principles of doing things in a certain way which i think he does with the best intentions but unfortunately it makes him seem stubborn and inflexible.
I think Dictator is though a term that does not apply to Arsene Wenger, yes he has far too much power and influence than any one man should have at the club but I think he almost sees this more as akin to being like Atlas he has been ceded this responsibility by disorganisation and disarray at the top with the departues of the likes of Edelman and Dein and i think he would look upon it as a personal failure to give up these responsibilities.....
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Originally Posted by Cripps
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It wouldn’t worry me if Theo Walcott were to leave tomorrow, Theo Walcott, for me, is not a good footballer. He is an athlete who puts on a pair of football boots. Walcott is a ‘liability’ and should be sold by Arsenal this summer if he is asking for a wage increase
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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Apart from us being able to sell him in the summer.
What's your point? A person can be wrong about something as he is about Theo and right about something else as he is about Wenger.
So you defending Theo When robbo is wrong about him, makes you a Theo lover then eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Saying Robson is wrong about Theo which he clearly is as Theo is obviously a good player doesn't make me or anyone a Theo lover. Saying Robson is speaking BS about Wenger when its clear he's spot on makes you a Wenger lover. Can you see the difference?
Jesus wept.
I never Said that so stop chatting shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
You see another side of Wenger when someone directly challenges. Look at the press reactions and how agrressive and stubborn he can be. I think he's a calm person in general but very dismissive if directly challenged. For example, I just can't understand why he's so reluctant to try Theo or Podolski in the centre but happy to try Gervinho there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't necessarily agree with that, i think his press reactions are much more calm and measured than most other premiership managers. And to be fair there is a difference between offering advice and trying to cajole someone like the press do....like when they were asking about the subsitutions against Aston Villa, rightly so he made the point when does a manager have to justify his decisions to anyone....the fans have the right to criticise......but the manager doesn't have to explain himself to them or the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Don't get me wrong i am not a Wenger apologist, i think the guy has got himself into a rut and frankly I am not sure even how happy he is at the club anymore....but i still think deep down even if horribly twisted and misguided this man does seem himself as a man of principle and integrity and walking away would be a betrayal of what he believes in, but as i firmly believe he will do what he regards to be the right thing and see out his contract and leave in 2014 unless he is told beforehand that his services are no longer required and can you honestly see that happening?.
Hes right in that no top players will come to us but woefully wrong about the restQuote:
EMMANUEL PETIT claims top stars will no longer want to join Arsenal — because the club never wins anything.
The former France midfielder, who won the Double with the Gunners in 1998, believes the North London club is now seen as a stepping stone to bigger things.
Arsene Wenger’s side have not won a trophy since lifting the FA Cup in 2005.
And Petit, 42, who spent three years at Arsenal before moving to Barcelona in 2000, said: “The big worry today is that even if Arsenal have the money who are they going to get to join the club now?
“The idea they have been giving off for seven years is that it’s a club which doesn’t win trophies and at the end of the season their best players will leave.
“The feeling is that Arsenal are creating a generation of players who will leave in the hope of going to another club in order to win something.”
Petit, however, is still backing boss Wenger to get the club out of this mess.
He says the Gunners have been unable to compete in the transfer market as the club funded its move from Highbury to the Emirates in 2006.
And Petit insists now those economic constraints have been loosened boss Wenger can put the club on a more equal footing with its rivals.
He said: “I’m still convinced Wenger’s the man for the job because over the last 15 years he has been a master-builder.
“He hasn’t won anything for seven years because since the club moved to the Emirates they’ve had to tighten their belts and sell their best players all the time.
“They also couldn’t get involved in overbidding in the transfer market.
“But now they have a fairly big surplus and so can compete again.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2F2gIX6ym
Come back George. All is forgivenQuote:
GEORGE GRAHAM admits he cannot see Arsenal EVER winning the title again.
The Highbury legend believes his old club have fallen too far behind their big-spending rivals.
And he claims his once-great Gunners are now happy to just settle for finishing fourth every season.
Graham — who won three titles with the club as a player and manager — delivered his damning verdict at the end of a disastrous week for the fallen North London giants.
Current boss Arsene Wenger and his stars are licking their wounds after being knocked out of the Capital One Cup quarter-finals on Tuesday by League Two Bradford.
It is now getting on for eight years since Wenger won a trophy and almost nine since he last lifted the Premier League crown.
Graham said: “Whether I like it or not, the club are quite happy to finish in the top four.
“They have been doing that for the last 15 or 16 years. That seems to be the objective.
“Let’s be honest, they are not serious challengers for the Premier League. So finishing in the top four, I think the club are quite happy with that.
“I don’t think Arsenal are ever going to compete with Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United.
“I thought they could have competed with United because they don’t spend the money the other two do.
“But Arsenal are not going to compete with them either.
“They have got a structure at the club on transfers and wages. They are very strict on those.
“They have more or less said to fans that is the way they are going to run the club.
“They can still pick up cups and qualify for Europe. But will they win the Premier League title again? I can’t see it.”
Graham was in the Arsenal team that won the Double in 1971. As manager he celebrated titles in 1989 and 1991.
Wenger took over as manager in 1996 and guided them to the Double in 1998 and 2002 as well as a further Prem crown in 2004.
But the trophy cabinet has remained unopened since he led Arsenal to a shootout win over Manchester United in the 2005 FA Cup Final.
Wenger’s prudence may have enabled the Gunners to build a new stadium and state-of-the-art training complex.
But an increasing number of Arsenal fans are becoming fed up with their club’s failure to win a trophy and keep hold of their best players.
Graham added: “When was the last time Arsenal broke the transfer record? I think it was 1938.
“Manchester United seem to buy players at £25-30million and they mix it up a little bit.But Arsenal don’t do that.
“In the past Arsene’s teams have played some of the best football I have ever seen. It was breathtaking.
“But the quality of players there now is inferior to the players he used to have.
“And I don’t care how good a coach or manager you are, you need good players to win things.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2F2h89ykp
So he can't see us winning the title ever again. So he is giving us no chance whoever the manager is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
We cant afford £30m on one player? Wtf? Whats the point of moving to the new stadium then?Quote:
ARSENAL legend Nigel Winterburn has revealed Arsene Wenger will not spend the big bucks — as the club cannot afford it.
The under-pressure Gunners board are suggesting that £50MILLION is to be made available in January.
And they say manager Wenger will be able to spend it all on one player if he wants.
But that is not what Winterburn says he heard at the Emirates recently.
The former left-back, who won the Double under Wenger in 1998, said: “I was with Arsene three or four weeks ago doing a Q&A at Arsenal and he was asked about buying a £30m player.
“He was saying ‘We can’t afford to do that’. That surprised me a little bit.
“He was saying ‘£30m in transfer fees, with wages you’re probably looking at another £25-30m. We could not compete on that level’.”
But Winterburn, who played 584 Arsenal games between 1987 and 2000, is convinced no top players want to join now anyway.
He said: “If you are talking about a £30m player — Manchester City would also be going for him, maybe Manchester United and maybe Chelsea.
“Right now he’s not coming to Arsenal.”
Former England defender Winterburn is convinced that Robin van Persie’s decision to join Manchester United in the summer sent out a warning.
He said: “Why are the players saying ‘You know what? I’m going to wait until my contract runs out and see what happens?’
“Arsene Wenger would tell you they are not trying to sign those players too late and that negotiations start with two years to go.
“But maybe they need to start even earlier.”
Winterburn also warned the Arsenal board they were sitting on a powder-keg — and the fuse has been burning for a while.
He said: “The frustration is not just about this season but from the last two or three seasons.
“The vision that they were sold when they moved to the Emirates was that they had to move there to compete with the top teams.
“A lot of the supporters are feeling that we are now slipping even further behind those teams.
“Why are the top players leaving? Is it because those top players believe we are not moving in the right direction?
“Is it because the people at the top are not able to secure the services of the very top players?
“It is becoming so frustrating for those supporters. And more than a few are starting to feel that Arsene Wenger will not change his ways and maybe it is Arsene Wenger.
“They have quality players and they have to stand up and be counted as they are starting to be questioned as much as Wenger — and the board as well.
“Arsenal have not won anything for seven years now — and they really are under pressure.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2F2hbeiLk
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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
That is what Wenger has done to us
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Originally Posted by Cripps
makes sense. This no money thing seems to be coming out all of a sudden.Quote:
The former left-back, who won the Double under Wenger in 1998, said: “I was with Arsene three or four weeks ago doing a Q&A at Arsenal and he was asked about buying a £30m player.
“He was saying ‘We can’t afford to do that’. That surprised me a little bit.
“He was saying ‘£30m in transfer fees, with wages you’re probably looking at another £25-30m. We could not compete on that level’.”
But Winterburn, who played 584 Arsenal games between 1987 and 2000, is convinced no top players want to join now anyway.
He said: “If you are talking about a £30m player — Manchester City would also be going for him, maybe Manchester United and maybe Chelsea.
“Right now he’s not coming to Arsenal.”
State of the art training facility?! Wow, just wow!
George Graham, the man who had us playing the most absymal football known to mankind (he even makes Tony Pulis seem like a facilitator of total football) and whose ambition was to try and rip off the club by receiving bungs to give us recommendations to buy rubbish like Pal Lydersen.....Wenger may be misguided but at least he's not a crook.
Content to finish 4th for 15/16 years?....funny i thought we'd won three league titles, four fa cups and reached two european finals in that time......don't get me wrong i think the point he is making is sound i think we have been content to finish 4th since moving to the Emirates but that wasn't 15/16 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
GG was a great manager in his time but whose time passed in the mid 90s. Signings like Wright and Seaman became signings like Selley and Kiwomya.
Sorry but that's a load of nonsense, the guy gave us some great times, brought some brilliant players in and his team was the backbone of AW's first championship team, in addition when we won the title and in particular the 2nd title under him we were very exciting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Perhaps the football wasn't great after that, but he still delivered some unbelievable results and trophies against the odds.
He's right about the club though (and this includes the manager) top 4 is all they're interested in, so we have a big new stadium now, big f*cking deal would you rather watch a top team in a small stadium or an average one in a large new stadium?
As for the money, if we got rid of the dead wood taking up our resources (the crocks and rubbish) we'd have more funds available, trouble is the manager wastes money on these guys and then we can't get rid.
liverpool, spurs, city, united, chelsea all have the same problem with players that are not good enough clogging up their wage bill...it's not a problem singular to Arsenal....it's a problem endemic of sickeningly high wages that has eked it's way into the game. Don't get me wrong Wenger has a ridiculous wage policy and often rewards undeserving players, but do we know how responsible he is for these contract negotiations I know what we are meant to believe is that he pretty much single-handed runs the club as the ultimate Autocrat but honestly?....you think there are that many hours in a day.
Load of nonsense?...so Graham wasn't a crook then, he wasn't guilty of receiving bungs....I know it's an ad hominem attack but i think he's the last man who should be lecturing anyone. Yes he achieved some brilliant things at the club, but the legacy he left was a club floundering in mid-table with a squad with a drinking culture.....we know that even in his time the board were reluctant to release transfer and wage funds...don't remember him walking as a matter of principle.
I don't understand the need to pit one manager against another or seek to revise history and rubbish one manager's record to support an agenda of supporting the other.
Both GG and AW were great managers and provided us with some incredible 'Highbury Highs'*. However both their time have passed, I respect them both and am grateful for all the great times both brought to our Club.
* I blame Roger Daltry - we never had another high after that dirge.
i agree to an extent, but as i say i don't have a great deal of time or respect for George Graham as a man......I never forgave him for trying to cheat the club to line his own pockets....where as Wenger despite the fact that he is a has been is a man of much more honor and integrity that George Graham would ever be capable of.
I don't think those clubs have got the problem to the same extent as we have (in addition City and Chelsea can afford it), if you look at the rubbish we have, I mean the likes of Chamakh, Squillaci, Denilson, Bendtner, Gervinho, Ramsey, Fabianski, Djourou, Santos, Park (some are on loan but still on our wage bill) and add to that the crocks in the form of Gibbs, Diaby, Rosicky that's an awful lot of players and an awful lot of money wasted, none of the other clubs mentioned have anywhere near as many as us...and this is crippling for us.
You can add to that the error prone Koscielny, the cavalier Vermaelen who's defending is naive at best (do we throw Frimpong into this?) and you can start to see the problem.
The salaries are also all based around Wengers idea that everyone should be on similar amounts to avoid an squad discontent, which neither works nor has proved a wise move.
He was guilty of the bung yes, but people make mistakes and as long as they learn from them they deserve a 2nd chance (some would argue someone who has been there and learnt from his mistakes is the perfect person to give advice on the subject). Perhaps his time was up when it all ended, but look at his achievements, much of the time we were unfancied for success and upset the odds, the drinking culture was not one of Graham's flaws but an issue which was deeply ingrained in English culture (and to some extent remains to be today outside sport). In those days we never really seemed to have money and the money certainly wasn't in the game to the same extent, we accepted we couldn't spend but at least we showed signs of heart and desire on the pitch from time to time, no passioneless, soul less football with no real direction.