What, because he's black??Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
You're the monster!
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What, because he's black??Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
You're the monster!
He's not even black. He's wannabe black. Even worse than being black IMHO.
170 mill apparently. LOL.Quote:
Paris Saint-Germain are 'one step closer' to signing Monaco striker Kylian Mbappe, according to Spanish newspaper Marca. Marca report that the Ligue 1 clubs have reached an agreement over Mbappe and that the deal just needs approval from lawyers before completion.
Monaco started at 80 mill and, fair play to them, have managed to convince the major mugs to up the bid by over 100%
:haha:
Somebody hasn't quite grasped how negotiation works.
I wonder if we could convince PSG to sign Theo for 288 mill? Worth a try.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...mund-barcelona
Dortmund insisting on Euro 150m for a player they bought last year for 15m,
When will this madness end?. A player almost unheard of last 3 months who has shown literally nothing on the world stage. He`s not even the Celtic Dembele who must be worth a billion by now surely. Can someone stop this train please?. I want to get off.
I thought Arsene said the player couldnt be bought, since he tried and failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Naby Keita is similarly absurdly valued for whatever reason....
...and jokes aside.... I think Celtic's Dembele is worth keeping an eye on.
Yep, I've watched Dembele play a number of times and been really impressed. He wont be at celtic for very long. Definitely wouldnt say no to signing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npr9Svl47q8Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It will stop when the source of the money is cut off, and ultimately that is the fans. We supply a lot of it through tickets and merchandice. The TV money comes from the fans subscribing to the channels. Sponsorship money is only so high because it's a popular game with a worldwide reach and the billionaires wouldn't be sticking their beaks in were that not so either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
We have the collective power to stop the train but people keep filling the stadiums and subscribing to the TV channels :shrug:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...ster-city-psg/
:doh: Has someone finally done the math and suddenly realised this is not an 'ideal' situation? Idiots.
I think it may be like the Suarez deal four years ago. Liverpool sign him onto a new contract and if he still decides he wants to go next summer, the club can demand silly money for him. Whether he will go for it, don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
It's more like the Lemar saga. Avoid the going rate for months so bad sentiment and uncertainty can be nurtured. Then go ahead and do what could have been done in the first place, if anyone at this club was in any way decisive and ambitious.
Comedy club, living out of time in some Wenger fantasy.
Could have signed him for 50 mill weeks ago. Which is why we bid 30 mill. The laughable (to the point of being insulting) Mbappe fantasy followed up by the Lemar deliberate dithering. Wenger prevails.Quote:
Arsenal have all but given up on signing Thomas Lemar from Monaco, accepting that the club are unlikely to sell him until next summer.
Monaco's stance is irrespective of whether Kylian Mbappe, being chased by Paris Saint-Germain and Real Madrid, leaves this month.
And the reality of having to pass on Lemar for now means that Arsenal are unlikely to make any further signings this summer.
Instead, all energy will be focused on reducing the wage bill with a string of names available to leave.
Let's say they knock 4 players off the wage bill, what would that be? Ten mill a year? Add Lacazette and his wages. We've probably ended up spending 50 million all told. How much extra did we get in increased TV revenues?
I bet when this all winds out they'll have made a profit again. Which is their main goal and will always be the goal for as long as this board and this manager remains at the club.
And we're chasing, chasing, definitely signed Lemar, Welcome to Arsenal blah, blah, blah. Then we have one random win and look, unfortunately we can't get the player. It's almost as if they are saying the same old shit as every other season isn't yet to come and that this one win is a sign of great things to come. Some will believe that I suppose.
And how much will Lemar cost next season? Why, 80 million quid. Or more. Then we can say, oh dear, too expensive.
Same old Wenger. Predictable. The "almost signed him" king of football. Vidal, Draxler, now Lemar.
Injured and ill Alexis has been in Paris, for no particular reason.
Chavs are eyeing up Ox.
Some silly rumours going around about Ozil and Barca.
Another vague rumour that we put in a seriously lowball bid for Moura.
My this is a big surprise, much like the Mbappe BS before it, so let's see:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
1) We make an insulting lowball bid for him, that's rejected as a joke
2) We go back in and make another lowball bid, rejected again
3) Monaco say he's not for sale after selling a few players to propper clubs who are willing to pay up and don't spend all summer chasing a player whilst putting lowball bids
4) We make another lowball bid again rejected thinking Monaco saying he's not for sale isn't true and that by offering less than he's worth we might convince them otherwise
5) The season starts and we don't sign him and then soon come to the conclusion we won't be able to sign him.
Arsenal :lol:
The transfer markets' biggest joke!
Still no Ox, Ozil or Sanchez contract.
Still no deadwood sold.
A freebie and Lacazette signed. Only got Lacazette as Madrid were under a transfer ban, if not for that we wouldn't have him either. Got the freebie as there was no real competition for him and because he cost nothing
Sounds like the club has been on holiday since last January.
I'm getting a bit sick of these players sulking.
STFU, Sanchez. You are under contract and you are paid very, very well. Yes, I'm sure you could get more elsewhere but by the standards of any normal human being you have more money than you know what to do with.
So stop whining and start playing. If you want to leave next summer then fine, you are free to do so.
But, for now, you are our player.
Carlton Banks (William Carvalho) is going to West Ham
Just about his level. The guy is slower than Xhaka. That takes some doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Its too late for that now Letters, Sanchez is gone, he was sold a pack of lies by Wenger when he signed, the whole thing is a complete nonsense. We are in such a mess now, much much bigger than last season, our stars are on the verge of walking out for free, we can't shift the shit that Wenger has loaded the squad with and we are reluctant to pay market rate for quality signings. If we plan properly we could and should put the contract rebels up for sale and start scouring the market for suitable replacements, whatever the cost. We won't though, next summer will be absolutely brutal, you just watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I would sulk too, if I see people with worse capabilities than me getting a higher paycheck. I would sulk if I am a player that should be battling for the Ballon d'or playing for a team that has ambitions of ONLY turning a profit every season. He has every right to sulk, just like we have every right not to sell him anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Frankly, I cannot see why any world class player would want to play for, or stay at Arsenal FC. We are a good stepping stone club and you cannot blame players like Ozil and Sanchez if they want out. We are a club on a downward spiral.
You only mentioned the bad stuff. You have to offset this with the positives. Wenger has signed. He's all sorted out and is committed to the club. As Ivan said, we scanned the world and found we already had the very best. I agree, if we lose our best players and get left with a giant bag of overpaid shit it won't be ideal, but we've dealt with losing our best players and carrying a giant bag of overpaid shit for over a decade now. We're very experienced in that respect and I have no doubt we'll see that experience spread liberally over the football pitch all season long.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
If Sanchez has refused to play for us he's taking the piss. I can understand him wanting to leave but he's supposed to be a professional.
I wonder when we'll be announcing it is unavoidable that Alexis leaves, he has PSG DNA and we can't deny biology and his childhood dreams, we can't do anything if the player wants to go, we can't have uncertainty in the squad, Walcott is like a new signing and we don't have time to find a replacement - but we have a big war chest for the next transfer window? End of the week?
Wonder is Alexis will bother coming back between now and his transfer?
The players are bigger than the clubs now. The Neymar deal cost more than the value of most squads in world football. 400 million quid when it all pans out, apparently. Massive joke of a non-sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
I don't blame Sanchez at all for wanting out, but sulk? No. He's not a child, he is a professional player. He has a contract with us and gets paid a silly amount of money by any reasonable standards. I doubt anyone at Arsenal gets paid more. For this season we should be telling him to stay and he should be working hard for us a) because he's a professional and b) to put himself in the shop window.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
And are we in a downward spiral? How do you figure?
5th last season was the worst place we've finished in Wenger's reign and the 3 years before that we'd finished 4th then 3rd than 2nd.
Our points totals have been: 79,75,71,75
And in 3 of the last 4 seasons we've finished with a trophy, including last year.
We're stagnating and have done for years, there is no evidence of either a downward trend or us pushing on for bigger and better things.
It's a slow and steady decline. Every year the quality of our football drops, not by much but it's a steady and consistent drop off. All down to Wenger not haven't the first clue how to rejuvenate and energise this squad. His pathetic personal opinions on how football should be and what represents value and all his other bullshit that has been shown time and time and time again to result in nearly or glorious failure, but ultimately failure. In cup competitions we can take advantage of the one-off format. But when it comes to sustained competition we come up short, every single time. Badly on far too many occasions. Humiliating drubbings, season after season. And even now Wenger persists with his bullshit. Look at the state of the squad going into another season. What a joke. What a joke of a manager. Pure scandal that he's been rewarded yet again for his repetitive failure. There's only one direction with Wenger - down. But, according to the incompetent moron Gazidis, Wenger is the best in the business. So we'll see how the inevitable pans out again. Judge it at the end of the failure.
I agree the quality of the football has got worse, but the end result has been pretty consistent. There has been no clear decline there.
I don't think there is that much wrong with the squad. With a better manager we would be challenging with this squad.
As usual, you won't notice the fire until the smokes cleared and it's too late. We're in bad shape. We have no youth system and have failed to produce a group of players good enough to make our starting 11. Heck, what's worse, we've produced a bunch of players that are a drain on our resources and can't even attract the sort of ridiculous bids we've sesn the likes of Spurs and Southampton profit from. We're having to sell out players for knock down prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Since project youth has been a failure, you would think we'd a bit more proactive in the transfer window. More aggressive with our approach. That's not the case and our slow approach to building a quality squad means we'll eventually lose whatever talent we have in the squad. Same shit we saw with Cesc and RVP. It's worse now because we can't use the stadium as an excuse and the manager has really shown how behind he is tactically. It's not looking good.
Absolutely key to the Wenger problem. His unwillingness to focus on the key things other (normal) managers are getting on and doing. Those other managers view their position as employment. If they advance the fortunes of the team on the pitch, they keep their job. Maybe. If they slide they get the chop, for sure. Not Wenger though. He even came out and said winning or losing was only a part of this Arsenal culture he views as his own. As if he's the only manager we ever had or will ever have. He busies himself with a hundred and one things that are none of his damn business, or at least shouldn't be. You hear other managers, even the manager of the current champions, complaining because they don't have enough to do the vital things they need to do to ensure success. Not Wenger. He's there lecturing everyone else on sustainability and value, all the while neglecting his own vital task of ensuring we have the best possible squad we can have going into each season. The bloke's beyond the pale.Quote:
...our slow approach to building a quality squad means we'll eventually lose whatever talent we have in the squad...
Looks like Perez is heading back to Deportivo for 10 mill.
Le Moron paid 17 mill for the guy and then sat him on the bench and paid wages. What a fucking cock :doh:
Yet we'll haggle over a quid in other cases.
Sadly for us it will mean 2 1/2 months simply isn't enough time to make any signings, everyone is against us :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40931420
I see Wenger failed in getting the window shut 1 minute after it opens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Yeah unfrotunately he's still going to have to drag the transfer sagas over a 2 1/2 months even if this happens, poor thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40848343
Just the £45 million for Sigurdsson.
Meanwhile at Arsenal:tumbleweed:
MentalQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
We have a squad good enough to challenge for the title (in my opinion) and the stadium and global fanbase to sustain that, it's not that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
We have a manager who can't win us the biggest trophies and a board who don't care though, so that is not good, and there's no prospect of that changing any time soon.
Are Chelsea, Liverpool, City or Utd teams full of players from their youth systems? I don't know the answer to that but the amount clubs are throwing around to buy in players I'm guessing not.
Obviously it is desirable to develop players rather than buy them if possible though.
We are stagnating, that's the worst thing for me. But I don't think as a club we are in a bad position were a new manager to come in. We already have a squad good enough to challenge, or very close. We will probably lose Sanzhez in the next year or so but losing key players has happened before and we have rebuilt.
Chelsea, City, etc don’t have to depend on youth because they go out and buy what they require for whatever price as it’s needed. We don’t and that’s the point. Teams either develop their youth and throw in some unknown cheap gems to win titles or they go all out and buy the top players for the position they need. We do neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We’ve needed a striker since RVP left. From the day we signed Ozil, for anyone that has argued that we’d get more out of him if we had a better striker, it’s taken up to the last year of Ozil’s contract for us to sign the type of striker he’d arguably flourish with. That’s way too long to address a problem.
As said, we’re so slow to react, we end up losing the players we’re building a team around because we’re too slow to build around them. We don’t have a team good enough to win the title. You need to watch more of our games. We’ve needed a striker for a long time but we’ve needed a world class CM for much longer. Our defence is in bad shape as well with no leadership. That’s as it stands now.
If we lose Ozil, Sanchez and Ox with no replacements, we’re weakened. If we keep them, I can’t see a scenario where Wenger doesn’t decide to bench them or they take the piss and pull sickies. We’ve seen how Wenger has benched contract rebels before to probe a point and I’m sure we’ll see it again. You need to start thinking ahead. You’re dismissive today but as the season unravels, it will suddenly dawn on you. We’re not in good shape at all. The fact that we’re owned by Silent Stan and Wenger was just given a new contract says it all. We’re fucked.