ICC Champions Trophy (6 June - 23 June).

I wonder if we are starting to see the end of ODIs. 20/20 are so fast amd high scoring that people expect ODIs to be the same except bigger but they're not. Amd they won't be anything like tests because tests. With tests we expect the slow batting as well as the quick tempos that go with tests, ODIs we expect fast run scoring but don't want the slowness, yet this is what happens. 20/20 has ruined them in my opinion as people expect the shots that Morgan, adv, raina etc play the whole time and the fast scoring when it isn't possible. ODIs are getting stuck in the middle of the two formats amd I'm not sure there will be a future for them soon. This cl13 has hardly set the world alight IMO

I actually think its in the strongest position because the most popular format at club level and growing up is 40-45 over matches in the regional leagues. We also have twenty20 tournaments but we mostly field the pubbers for that.

People always want more runs whether its posting a first innings total in a test match or the last over in a Twenty 20. The most important thing for me is that - whatever format it is - it should lend itself to quality cricket.

And by quality I mean: persistent, fast, tight line and length bowling should be rewarded. And long strides, high elbows and straight bat shots should be rewarded. I still think that's the case in 50 overs ODIs although it still requires a bit of invention/wrist-work to manoeuvre the good balls for one. But that's also good test match batting (drop and run).

I think in 20 overs, far too many good balls go for boundaries and bad balls take wickets. That's not what you want the youngsters to learn and be rewarded for. The values of Tests and quality batting/bowling have to be preserved.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

I wonder if we are starting to see the end of ODIs. 20/20 are so fast amd high scoring that people expect ODIs to be the same except bigger but they're not. Amd they won't be anything like tests because tests. With tests we expect the slow batting as well as the quick tempos that go with tests, ODIs we expect fast run scoring but don't want the slowness, yet this is what happens. 20/20 has ruined them in my opinion as people expect the shots that Morgan, adv, raina etc play the whole time and the fast scoring when it isn't possible. ODIs are getting stuck in the middle of the two formats amd I'm not sure there will be a future for them soon. This cl13 has hardly set the world alight IMO

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I don't see that argument at all. It isn't about what people want or expect, but reality. 300+ chases in ODIs are regular occurrences now. You have to be adaptable in your strategy to win games.

You don't need to play reverse sweeps or scoops to make better use of ten overs of powerplay up front. Now you see these ODI pitches in England are mostly flat, as they are in most places. There's more scope to score more runs.

Don't like these new fielding restrictions either. Powerplays and all that. Liked it more when it was first 15 overs only. The limit on two bouncers an over is no good either. Shouldn't support the cowards.

Anyway. Cardiff. Crucial game between SA V WI. Rain. We'll be having 36 overs a side. Toss in a couple of mins and start 15-20 mins after, I guess.

WI win the toss and will bowl. Tino Best is in the side :popcorn:

And Steyn is back for SA.

It's raining again. Fuck Cardiff.

This isn't nearly as cringeworthy as the other day but it's clear again that they don't know what to fill the time with. 'Narine is a good bowler' can only be repeated so many times.

Rain might do for tomorrow's game as well.

If there's no rain, in a 50 over game there's not much danger of India losing to Pakistan. If its rain affected and it turns into a slog fest who knows.

in a similar way, today's game will suit the pubbers (ie windies). 31 overs a side and starting in 10 mins if the weather stays clear.

South Africa 124-2, loved how Gayle earlier trolled Amla with fumbling the catch twice.