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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5363340.stm
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Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5363340.stm
Let's hope you never make a mistake in your life then, because if you do maybe noone will take you seriously again when you give advice. Beckham made mistakes in his career and having learnt from them he's now a respected figure....it's when you make mistakes and don't learn from them that there's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
Just stating facts. The man is no saint as you make him out to be. And that is not a mistake what he did. He knew what he was doing and was happy to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
I never said he was a saint, however I'm not going to keep talking about something that happened 17 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
Yes it was a mistake, just because you know what you're doing it doesn't mean it's not a mistake, sometimes you make the wrong choice in a given situation but it doesn't mean you should be punished for the rest of your life for it. Obviously it does depend on what you've done sometimes, but hell it's only money but if you had that kind of money dangled in front of you would you say no just like that?
IMO this does not in any way stop him from giving his point of view on this subject.
Another article from Wrighty that is spot onQuote:
Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has accused Arsene Wenger of failing to truthfully address the club's current plight and believes any other manager would have been sacked for going so long without success. Wright says Wenger "does not tell the truth" when assessing his team's performances and also branded supporters of the 63-year-old "deluded" for standing by him throughout the club's barren spell. Wenger is facing one of the toughest spells of his 16 years at the Arsenal helm following the shock Capital One Cup penalty shoot-out defeat at npower League Two Bradford on Tuesday night and inconsistent Barclays Premier League form. The Frenchman, 63, has not delivered a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005, and Wright believes that record in itself would have seen anyone else shown the door. Speaking to Absolute Radio's RocknRoll Football show, Wright said: "I wouldn't say 'surely he has to go', but it is a unique position he's in because I think any manager in any country in any world with a record like this and no prospects of light at the end of the tunnel, they would've been gone. "People are holding onto the fact to what Arsene has done, and people are saying he is going to tarnish what he has done, but I don't think that will ever happen. "However, it is a long way back. "I feel there are a lot of deluded Arsenal fans who are out in the wilderness still saying 'in Arsene we trust' and stuff like that." Wright, who lost his status as Arsenal's record goalscorer to Thierry Henry, believes there needs to be clarity on the way forward for Wenger's squad. "You hear him doing interviews afterwards saying, 'I have got a great team with a great spirit', but we are not seeing that," Wright said. "He does not tell the truth for me, he does not say what is happening. "What is going on? Have you got any money to spend or haven't you? Is it the fact the board are giving you the money and you are not spending? "Is that too hard a question to answer for Arsenal?"
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Originally Posted by Cripps
Pretty much anyone with intelligence above 12 knows that AW needs to be sacked.
The same guy who only a few days said he was still the right man for the job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Wright :haha: chats the biggest load of bollox ever.
Again, that was Nigel Winterburn not Ian Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
:lol: you know its gone pete tong when PnG starts hurling abuse.
:rose: a toast for the great man himself.
god rest your soul.
Read it again. He said i don't want him sacked.
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Asked by Absolute Radio about Wenger’s future, Wrighty said: “I wouldn’t like to see him go, I’d like to see him bring people in that he’s going to listen to.
Again, that's not the same as saying 'he's the right man for the job'. He says he needs help from others which is very different to saying he's the right man to turn things around. Very few want Wenger's reign to end on this sad note and it's not just about Wenger either. If he's sacked, we need to be sure the Board have the right plan and man lined up for the job. Wright has said again that he's not sure he should go because nothing is clear cut. I can understand that view because there are no real Arsenal people or football people in general at the top leading the club.
Thing is, wright must know that wenger will never bring anyone in that he will listen to, so if you read between the lines, he wants him sacked :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
Good points actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Jeebus
He doesn't know that for certain and neither does anyone here. He worke well with Dein, things are looking better between him and Gazidis...he listened regarding the pre season tour and we'll see what happens with him and Bould.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Wright usually tells it how it is and he's playing it subtle. Sacking Wenger is risky and not straight forward. Stan knows nothing of football, PHW is still recovering and Gazidis isn't really a football guy. He's more corporate. I want Wenger out but these guys need to have a long term plan and identify the right candidates before they can make a decision. I hope the wheel is in motion as we speak because Wenger's reign is coming to an end.
Squillaci,Fabianski, Arshavin will alway be gone in the summer as their contracts expire. Chamakh and Santos will hopefull be sold in Jan, so our Wage bill should be down a bit come summer. Think JoDo will be on his way too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Wenger reckons Chamakh was a great signing so don't be so sure :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
As for the others, it's speculation to be honest, you never know what Wenger will do, more often than not we get rid of the players we don't want to get rid of and hold on to those we think we should have got rid of.
Says that but has not played him, the club make a profit selling him, so if they get money it will happen. Can't see those out of contract staying. They all know they are wanted so its most likely they wil move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Not sure about the Denilson's and Bendtner;s though. Though the latter has said he wants out, so i can see him on his way. And Denilson has said he don't want to be here. Guess it depends on Săo Paulo if they want to keep him.
Slightly worried Charlie cant tell the difference between Wright and WinterburnQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Cripps
More importantly than that, we need to get rid of the managerQuote:
Ray Parlour has warned Arsene Wenger he must be busy in the January transfer window to rescue Arsenal’s season.
The Gunners are 15 points behind Premier League leaders Manchester United and crashed out of the Capital One Cup on Tuesday night after a humiliating defeat at League Two minnows Bradford.
And Parlour fears Arsenal will continue to struggle unless Wenger gets rid of the ‘dead wood’ next month and freshens up his squad.
“It’s going to be so important this January window,” the former Gunners star said, speaking to the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast.
“The performance the other night wasn’t good enough. You go to a place like Bradford and you have got to be on your game. Every single player has got to go out there like they are playing Manchester United.
“He needs to get the dead wood out, he needs to get rid of people that don’t want to be there. The likes of Marouane Chamakh and Andrey Arshavin.
“They have got so many players who are on about seventy-five thousand pounds a week. They need to get them out. Sometimes they bring players down if their attitudes are not right in training.
"Arsene Wenger has to look at his players and really up the quality because he has lost some unbelievable players in the last few years.”
Read more: http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-ne...#ixzz2F8cJYSpO
Bob, standing up to wumger :bow:Quote:
GEORGE GRAHAM insists under-fire Arsene Wenger will be at Arsenal for YEARS to come.
Arsenal boss Wenger is under more pressure than he has ever encountered in his 16-year reign.
But former manager Graham says the current problems can only be solved by Wenger putting on his “magic hat”.
The man who won league titles with the Gunners in 1989 and 1991 called on Wenger to find the next Thierry Henry or Patrick Vieira — bargains that he moulded into world-beaters.
Graham said: “Arsene’s first period at the club, for seven years it was probably the most attractive and attacking football I’ve ever seen in English football.
“He won three league titles and four FA Cups. He set the standard and unfortunately in the last few seasons the standard is just slowly slipping away.
“Management is about being successful and when you are, you take all the plaudits and the compliments.
“There is a lot of hysterical criticism about Wenger now.
“If you want to stay in the top four, he is the man without question.
“I think Wenger will stay there. He is very powerful at the club and rightly so.
“He will make the decision if he leaves or not. I cannot see him leaving at all.
“He enjoys Arsenal, the power and influence he has got throughout the club. I think Arsene will still be there for a few years yet. I just hope they bring in a better quality of player.”
Wenger’s side crashed out of the Capital One Cup to League Two Bradford last week.
They already look out of the title race but are into the knockout stages of the Champions League. But Graham insists Wenger can regain the backing of the fans and lead Arsenal into a new era.
He added: “Let’s give Arsene the credit. He brought in players for average prices, Thierry Henry, Nicolas Anelka, Marc Overmars, Patrick Vieira, Emmanuel Petit.
“They were all very good players unknown to the fans in England that he turned into fantastic world-class players. That was his strength.
“He did it on a tight budget so it’s not like they are now going to go out and break the transfer record.
“They have never done it during Arsene’s reign so in my opinion he has got to get his magic hat on again and go out and see if he can get players of that quality at good prices.”
Former Arsenal keeper and goalkeeping coach Bob Wilson hit back at comments from ex-Gunners player Stewart Robson.
Robson described Wenger as “a dictator” for the way he leads at the Emirates and SunSport revealed how his No 2 Steve Bould has been isolated.
But Wilson said: “The claims of Arsene being a dictator, and from a former player in Stewart Robson, really upsets me.
“I believe if Steve Bould is being sidelined, he is wealthy enough, sensible enough and strong enough to resign if unhappy with his role.
“To say Wenger appoints yes men is an insult to all the people who have worked under him — myself included. I always stood up to Arsene.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2FGhuDNDb
robson who has never worked under wenger, speaks bullshit and so do goal.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
bob wilson, ray parlour, liam brady all say different. two are complete bullshitters, 3 are club legends, who do you believe? someone who spouts off to the media whenever he can, or someone who has worked under wenger and is a legend?
robson :lol: what a sad, bitter ****
I was listening to Merson slating Gervinho on Soccer Saturday, Merse was saying how he'd play better than Gervinho right now.
Fair enough I thought, Gervinho is proper shite.
I then remembered Song getting similar criticism many years ago. Merse used to say he plays like a "fish up a tree". He now plays for Barcelona.
I guess I'm trying to say that anything can happen with Gervinho and Wenger is a better judge of player than any pundit.
Having said all this I would be amazed if Gervinho developed into being a football player!!
Yeah, but you could always tell Song could be a good player, even if he had a few shockers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Gervinho. Not so much.
The difference between Song and Gervinho is Song always knew how to kick a football.
no, people were always way off with song. he came under heavy criticism that was never really warranted.
with wengers recent history of purchases it is fair to suggest his ability to spot high quality talent is nowhere near as good as it was.
I'm not so sure it's all about his ability to find quality. He's always made mistakes, and/or plumped for some shockers (see Stepanovs, Senderos, Jeffers, Alialiadidilsiadiere etc). There is a certain amount of gamble involved in a lot of his purchases, as he never buys from the top shelf. It's always a question of weighing up fee, with the chance of a player being a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
The problem now, is that penny-pinching has reached an all time high, and we put all of our eggs into one basket, whereas in previous seasons, we always had more stregnth in depth to fall back on.
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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I'd rather believe someone who sees things as they are rather than someone who makes excuses for Wenger just cos they have worked with him. Obviously they will be biased :doh: Robson whether you like him or not and I don't was spot on. Wenger lovers might not like to hear it but Arsenal lovers agree 100%
Ray Parlour has never worked under Wenger, like Robson or Winterburn, so they can't be baised. Highly doubt Bob and Liam are biased too, only having their say. Robson would not know what is going on at the club as much as Brady and Wilson. Which is not to say he does make some good points, that were all thinking. Don't stop him being a **** though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Stopped reading thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
When i said worked, not as a player, as a member of staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
which is the bottom line. the same is often said about wenger when accusations of him being a scapegoat are thrown about.Quote:
“I believe if Steve Bould is being sidelined, he is wealthy enough, sensible enough and strong enough to resign if unhappy with his role.
How do you know he was spot on? Presumably you haven't worked under Wenger so you have no idea if he is a dictator or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Also how can you agree that Wenger's reaction to Eduardo breaking his leg lost us the title? I think there was probably slightly more involved than that.
Robson did raise some good points but "spot on" is far from being correct, there is a lot of things that he said that he has no justification for.
i think it's fair to say, you've been done there.
Pretty much. Steve would have seen how wumger was with Pat Rice, Steve would not have taken the job, knowing he'd be treated that way. Steve does not seem the bloke to stay in the Job if he was not being listend to or treated unfairly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
If that what Robbo called him, then he'd need to look in the dictionary to see what that term means.Quote:
Originally Posted by bignev
I guess surrounding himself with Yes men in recent years would suggest he is. Of course there was more to it than Wengers reaction but it would have played a significant part. Had he gotten the team together after that injury and did the "world against us" "do it for Eduardo" speech and motivated the players, maybe we would have done better than we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by bignev
It's only been a few months so I doubt he'd pack things in now it the rift rumours are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Plus, I'm sure he'd want to coach his own team one day and walking out on this job would look bad on his CV. He's at a big club and working under Wenger so it's best he uses his position to his advantage, regardless if he hasn't got as much responsibility right now. Who knows, if Wenger were to quit, he could be in line for the job.