I agree he doesn’t. It’s one of the key differentials though if a Messi v Ronaldo debate is to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
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I agree he doesn’t. It’s one of the key differentials though if a Messi v Ronaldo debate is to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
The richest people in the world stopped needing the money years ago but that doesn’t stop them scooping up even more. I can see why Juventus have bought him, for the reason you mentioned. I’m not sure I believe him wanting a new challenge is the single reason for the move. His relationship with Perez has been fractious for years now and he’s pretty much guaranteed the league at Juve. They aren’t a million miles away from winning the CL already - is taking a giant team one or two extra steps to the trophy enough of a motivation? That said, he has nothing left to prove so why not scoop half a million each week for the last few years if someone is mad enough to pay that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Ronaldo >>>>>> Messi
Feels weird having all our main business done this early.
What the hell are News Now going to do now Wenger has left? Their total advertising revenue will probably drop by about 90% without Arsenal fans there hammering the refresh button all summer long!
He's a footballer not a businessman, he has loads of money already, huge sponsorship deals and a huge salary at Real an increase will be a drop in the ocean for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Going to a new country is a big challenge, different country, different players, different style of play, different culture and lifestyle, he also has to move from somewhere he's been for 9 years and where he won't know anyone, it's a big change and a big challenge, especially when Juve want to win the CL.
Staying at Real would have been easy, he's already a legend, he's the main man in the team he's won leagues and CL's, he could just play out his last days there, instead he's chosen to make the move and take a chance, credit to him. Too many footballers stay in the comfort zone like Messi, never changing anything and never trying their luck in a different country, which is far easier.
Yeah, absolute bullshit. We've seen what happens when players start caring more about money than football. See the other Ronaldo as a prime example. See Ronaldinho. The easy option would be to sign a new contract at Real Madrid, get fat and stop training as hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The fact that Ronaldo is still in peak condition at 33, gone to a top club that's willing to pay that much for him speaks volumes about his work ethic. Anyone that attempts to discredit that I can't take seriously. Just give credit where it's due. Most players are preparing to retire at this age and return to their home club because their bodies are wrecked or out to America.
Is anyone discrediting it?
It's a common misconception that people who think that Ronaldo is a c*** also think he's no good at football. One can believe both that he's a c*** and an exceptional footballer. Those two things are not mutually exclusive, they're often complimentary.
What are you talking about? That has zero to do with the discussion. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Since your cheerleader jumped in, I'm guessing my post may have struck a nerve?
:lol: What is wrong with you? Your response to any post of mine is so Pavlovian :console:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
You said "Anyone that attempts to discredit [what Ronaldo has done]". I don't think anyone is doing that. There seems to be a feeling that people on here who think he's a cock are trying to discredit it him. They're not. They just think he's a cock :shrug:
I honestly find the Messi vs Ronaldo debate boring. As I've said before, too many people on both sides of it pretend that their favoured player is clearly the better one. Truth is there's nothing between them but I've already agreed that Ronaldo testing himself in different leagues is a decent argument for giving him more credit in certain ways.
I respond the way I do because you always jump in with an irrelevant point that has zero to do with the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I've edited your post. Don't speak to me like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
You said something about people discrediting him. That has often been an accusation about people who think Ronaldo is a cock that they are somehow trying to discrediting him. They aren't.
It was a response to part of your post...
'You said something about....' I mean your not even reading the full discussion before jumping in and catching snippets of what's being said despite it being right in front of your face in written form. There is no accusation or even an assumption that this has anything to do with Ronaldo being a cock. If you can't follow the gist of a conversation, just stay out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
By the sound of it he couldn't get the salary and contract he wanted at Real, which has prompted him to go elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'm not boiling it down to a single reason, I said him wanting a challenge is probably not his only motivation. Half-a-mill a week is enough to tempt anyone to a new club. £2 million a month is no drop in the ocean. If money wasn't important, he wouldn't push for a mega contract like that. Let's not kids ourselves here. No-one ever stops and says "that's it, I have all the money I need now." Definitely not in today's world anyway.
For a footballer of his experience and skill I'm not sure the whole moving country thing is as much of a big deal as it would have been when he was 24. It will play a part I'm sure, but not too much, because so much is taken care of off the field for him, and he has been around the block more than enough times to know how to adapt.
Taking Juve one or two steps further in the CL isn't such a huge challenge when they have the league and cup double usually under their belts, and a team good enough to usually get into the last 4 or 8 at minimum in recent years.
Ego and his situation with Perez probably played a bigger part in the move than anything else. Which is not to say he's alone in being controlled by his own ego - far from it - but going to a club guaranteed to win trophies every year without any nearby competition (at least Madrid had Barcelona to worry about) isn't that much of a challenge. Neymar done exactly the same and I rarely hear any voices suggesting he's gone there for the 'challenge' of winning the CL with PSG.
Yeah I don't think this is a huge challenge for a player like him, he's done it all so challenging himself doesn't really matter or come into it anymore.
It's just a smart move. Leave Real Madrid at the top before the inevitable implosion, carry on earning big bucks for another elite club and probably win another title or 2. Easy street.
Though for what it's worth, if he does win the CL with Juve that could possibly settle the GOAT debate.
Yep, I think this too, especially Chambers who I believe has another level or two in him under the right coaching and guidance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I’m the same, he IS a cunt, but my god, he is a phenomenal footballer/athlete!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
This is the problem with getting our transfer business done early......
We start falling out about other clubs transfers :haha:
If only we had observed the waiting period.....:coffee:
I agree with you there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think it's a combination of factors, but I don't think it was really about money as I said he has that coming out of his ears, the agents are the ones pushing the money more than the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
I disagree, moving country for anyone is hard, you leave your family/friends behind and everything thats familiar to you, that's tough in itself never mind the change of environment/culture etc, you can't understate that, plenty of players have move countries and struggled to settle.
Credit to him for doing that, the easier option would have been to stay in Real because he knows everything there and has proved himself, the pressure at Juve will be huge because he'll be expected to deliver, possibly the CL.
He's a great player, one that has never been scared to move to another country/club and you have to respect him for that, not many players choose to leave Real Madrid arguably the biggest club in the world.
Good for Italy, good money for Real though they'll have a job replacing him and good for Ronaldo.
Ozil :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
:lol: I'm not sure he chose to leave, more that they decided he was surplus to requirements!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He was flogged to raise money for the Bale signing.
He was pretty much first choice though, played 32 league games in his last full season with them. But they did "upgrade", admittedly.
Ozil was flogged against is will, the fans weren't too happy about it at the time as I remember.
At the time he said that a call with Wenger impressed him. And yes I heard the crowd weren't happy with him being sold.
He was very much first choice when he was at Real.
New manager arrived in Madrid and told him he wasn't first choice and guaranteed to start each game. He'd never have left if not for Ancelotti putting his nose out of joint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Whether he was first choice or not doesn't matter an awful lot, Real wanted to sell him and they did, doubt he would have moved if Real had told him they wanted to keep him.
Anyway, all history now. I'm looking forward to seeing how Emery plays him, he should be well rested now.
Well, it does. He was first choice for one of the best club sides in the world. He wasn't some bit-part player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
But I largely agree that if Real were that bothered about keeping him then they wouldn't have sold him.
That bloke we were meant to have been linked with, Seri, has signed fir Fulham! This the same guy who was almost signing for Barcelona last year!?
If he's able to deliver the CL for Juve, that will be a big thing for them. They've only ever won in Europe twice. Last time they won it was over 20 years ago. That's why they want Ronaldo. They're European record isn't great considering how long they been a dominant force in Serie A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I highly doubt Ronaldo has gone for money and to retire. He'd have gone to America, China or the Middle East if he wanted more money and to go into semi retirement.
Baffled by that as well. Never seen him play but maybe it was all media hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
I guess if Shahid Kahn is chucking around bids to take Wembley of the FA's hands then he must have some kind of ambitious footballing plans too, right? Maybe he's managed to turn Seri's head with a lot of big talk (as well as the standard sack-with-the-dollar-sign-on-it full of cash, of course)? Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
Plus it's not a bad part of town to live in either, I guess.
Also, maybe no one else actually bid for him.
Liverpool signing Shaqiri.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-of-stoke-move
Bit of a comedown from the Fekir hype. :lol:
Don't know what to make of Shaqiri. Clearly a player with a lot of ability but he still hasn't really exploded.
His shirt nearly exploded.
Fat fuck
Thought he was very good in the World Cup, really the only player to stand out for Switzerland, the rest were rubbish! Very talented and capable of scoring spectacular goals, will do well in this Liverpool team and at that price it's a no brainer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
To be fair, Fekir hasn't impressed when he's come on, whereas Shaquiri has looked decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Fekir might be a decent player but didn't show it in his sub appearances really.
I've always thought transfer windows should be looked at in pairs if the genuine need to spend more than is desirable is there. Allocate 50 million per window (for instance)which is more than achievable for a sell run club with a sustainable business model. You pledge not to spend a positive net in January then make this windows signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
You then bring in Stephen L at right back (if you want...but he isn't my cup of tea), Torreira and Oblak who in my view is in the top 3 goalkeepers in the world and only mid 20's so would retain a resale value and perhaps (and I hate to say it).... Johnny Evans.....a cheap reliable player to steady the back line.
The fact there is any debate anywhere that Leno will start and that it might be Cech starting speaks volumes. If you ignore the fees then it's spending a record Arsenal fee on a goalkeeper on a player you are unsure of but hope will step up......vs signing a world class keeper at a great age who will retain his value. Only reason why you would choose Leno is money...and given how big an issue the positiOn has become through years of neglect and a shoddy defence I would opt to add 1 world class player to the back line.
We would be talking a lot of money for Oblak but I don't think we could name many players the world over we could pay that amount for who would virtually guarantee that level of quality in any position. Maybe Aubameyang before we signed him......and we were particularly fortuitous on that one.