Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Ridiculous argument, that's a bit like saying to someone because they have a fair amount of money they shouldn't go to a clearance sale at a shop which is closing and pick up bargains.....utter nonsense.

If we can get a bargain and get a great player from it, there is absolutely no reason to object to it. Why pay 50million for a player, if you can get a player of exactly the same standard for half the price....how much money you have is irrelevant

That we decide to do nothing if we can't get a bargain is the objectionable point.

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I agree.... surely if a club is so hard up for cash then they would rather have £10m and no player than nothing and an unhappy player. As the £10m could pay players wages or develop the academy.

This is the most bizarre argument saying basically we should pay basically what the club wants at first contact.

Zim must be an estate agents dream refusing to pay below asking price due to some moral compass.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

I agree.... surely if a club is so hard up for cash then they would rather have £10m and no player than nothing and an unhappy player. As the £10m could pay players wages or develop the academy.

This is the most bizarre argument saying basically we should pay basically what the club wants at first contact.

Zim must be an estate agents dream refusing to pay below asking price due to some moral compass.

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Zim is capable of making good and salient points, but he gets too caught up in his hatred for the current way the club is run that he always feels a need to be 100% opposed to everything it does.

The Club and the Manager get more wrong than they get right, but you argue yourself into a cul de sac if you take a contrarian view and decide that everything they do you are morally, philosophically opposed to etc.

I get where Zim is coming from to an extent.

We have spent 10 years sniffing round the bargain bins for 70% of our 'superstar's' and mostly they have failed to meet the standard required.

We are once again at a point where a club is asking for £30m for a decent defender we desperately need. But once again we are haggling on a price and looking at lesser quality players because they are cheaper. We should just pay up and get on with it when there is only two weeks left of the window. If we had been haggling at the start then fair enough but as usual we have left it too late and been embarrassed - again.

No time for ever failing principals now, just pay the fucking money and have done with it!

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I get where Zim is coming from to an extent.

We have spent 10 years sniffing round the bargain bins for 70% of our 'superstar's' and mostly they have failed to meet the standard required.

We are once again at a point where a club is asking for £30m for a decent defender we desperately need. But once again we are haggling on a price and looking at lesser quality players because they are cheaper. We should just pay up and get on with it when there is only two weeks left of the window. If we had been haggling at the start then fair enough but as usual we have left it too late and been embarrassed - again.

No time for ever failing principals now, just pay the flicking money and have done with it!

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That's not the point being made though, the point being made is that if a club is in dire financial straits or needs to free up funds we should at least look to take advantage of that if they have a player that can improve us......i don't think it should be our only option and all too often it is....but to suggest there is something morally reprehensible about it is patently absurd and i think even Zim knows that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Zim is capable of making good and salient points, but he gets too caught up in his hatred for the current way the club is run that he always feels a need to be 100% opposed to everything it does.

The Club and the Manager get more wrong than they get right, but you argue yourself into a cul de sac if you take a contrarian view and decide that everything they do you are morally, philosophically opposed to etc.

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I think that is the problem every comment is negative and any good points are lost.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

That's not the point being made though, the point being made is that if a club is in dire financial straits or needs to free up funds we should at least look to take advantage of that if they have a player that can improve us......i don't think it should be our only option and all too often it is....but to suggest there is something morally reprehensible about it is patently absurd and i think even Zim knows that.

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yes I see.

I must have missed some posts and replied without full knowledge then :lol:

I agree, I have no problem with exploiting financial weakness for a good player, but I do have a problem with not going the other way sometimes and paying the asking price for what we need.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

yes I see.

I must have missed some posts and replied without full knowledge then :lol:

I agree, I have no problem with exploiting financial weakness for a good player, but I do have a problem with not going the other way sometimes and paying the asking price for what we need.

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Which is exactly the same position I hold and I suspect most Arsenal fans hold

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Originally Posted by Bumble

This is the most bizarre argument saying basically we should pay basically what the club wants at first contact.

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Is it though, look at how our plan has worked out so far, we've tried to cheap underhand bids to no avail, clubs aren't stupid they know we're loaded, you'd have to be a fool to sell at a knockdown price.

Who is to say the player is unhappy, he wasn't for sale in the 1st place, I'm sure his club are happy to keep hold of him until they get the money they want and why not.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

That's not the point being made though, the point being made is that if a club is in dire financial straits or needs to free up funds we should at least look to take advantage of that if they have a player that can improve us......i don't think it should be our only option and all too often it is....but to suggest there is something morally reprehensible about it is patently absurd and i think even Zim knows that.

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My point is that we just won't pay the market rate and then because clubs won't accept the market rate we go to clubs with no money to see if we can screw them over because they have no choice, doesn't always work mind but that's the gist of it. We're as cheap as them come and will do anything to not pay the going rate, it's embarassing and you don't see any other club behave this way.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

I think that is the problem every comment is negative and any good points are lost.

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It's negative because this club is a bag o sh*te at the moment thanks to Wenger and co, they're ruining all the good things about this club with the way they do things.