The next manager..

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Originally Posted by Chippy

You are joking right?

No one could this rabble winning the PL or the CL in his first couple of seasons!

If we got in the top 4 next year, that would be a major achievement.

Dont forget that the new Manager is apparently only getting £50m.

We are way behind the top 4 at the moment.

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So what? The goal of a club like Arsenal should always be to win. We might not win, we probably won't - although Leicester managed it. But if you are serious about being a "big" club then we don't aim for 4th place. I heard some tool on AFTV claiming Wenger's biggest achievement of all was the consecutive top 4 finishes. A deplorable outlook that revels in failure. The thing that has to change most at this club is the mentality. Wenger made us habitual losers and now the task is for somebody to come in and make us winners. He may not achieve it in the first year or the second, but we need to see progress towards it every season. No more scraping 4th and having bus top parades.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

We are way behind the top 4 at the moment.

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I disagree. I think our squad is good enough to finish in the top 4, or certainly get close.
Our catastrophic away form this year has given us no chance but our home form is good enough to challenge.
BUT, the title is beyond us right now and any new manager should be given some time to challenge.
Quite honestly gone are the days when it was just us and Utd in a duopoly, there are too many sides with too much money for that.
Who knew that 1990 would be Liverpool's last title? We have a lot of resources but City have a net spend of something like £450m since 2014.
We cannot compete with that level of spending. It's not a given that we'll be sweeping all before us any time soon.

Hopefully standards are raised again however we also have to be realistic because this squad needs a lot of coaching done if it wants to compete at the top. I’ll wait and see what the new guy can do and I’ll adjust my expectation levels accordingly. Unless the new guy is a miracle worker and some players have a Salah-like impact, we will remain out in the wilderness for a while yet IMO.

I do agree with the sentiment though, the end goal must be to win the league and CL. It shouldn’t be a pipe dream for a club like us, it should be something we can talk about potentially achieving with a straight face.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

You are joking right?

No one could this rabble winning the PL or the CL in his first couple of seasons!

If we got in the top 4 next year, that would be a major achievement.

Dont forget that the new Manager is apparently only getting £50m.

We are way behind the top 4 at the moment.

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The press recently came out with a story about us about making £200m available for the new manager. It's not worth listening to any stories about the club unless someone is making a statement or it's confirmation of a transfer or appointment.

Also, we should be aiming for the Top Spot. That's the point. It's not about what's realistic it's about setting targets and doing our best to get there.

According to the Telegraph and Mirror, Arteta, Vieira and Allegri are the 3 candidates.

Arteta, no Thanks. Allegri, Yes please. Vieira, not too sure.

The way we've set ourselves up, the position is more suitable for a head coach type which Arteta and Vieira would surely be.

The rumoured sticking point with Allegri is that he'd want a lot of money and because he's been so successful in his own right, he'd be reluctant to work with the guys above him.

The fear here is the board quietly accepts the second tier status Wenger has delivered. They could ride out a couple of seasons with a plea to give the new manager time and they'd probably get away with it. The new appointment will reflect the ambition of the board. If we go for a manager with an established track record of success we know the goal is to make progress. Otherwise we can assume the board has as much ambition as Wenger, which is none.

Jardim, Allegri, Conte, pay them what they want and get on with it.

ughhh.

Out of the three:

1) Allegri (works under a similar structure at Juve so I don't buy the stuff about him wanting more control)
2) Arteta
3) Vieira (used to be above Arteta but I had a look at some of his MLS results & performances and they haven't been that impressive tbh).


Not sure why Jardim isn't even a factor (assuming the report). Lack of English?

Arteta - No
Vieira - No

Simple as that.

We need to progress and do it well, re-establish ourselves as title contenders and re-assert our big club status.

This is no time for 'also ran's', maybe's, stop gap's and 'we will see' :coffee:

Also, the Telegraph don't know fuck all either so I am not really that concerned

TBF even Ornstein has admitted he has no clue, the club are doing everything quietly. Allegri though would be a great choice.