When does it start looking like we're in disarray? Mustafi wants out too?
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When does it start looking like we're in disarray? Mustafi wants out too?
Rumours still floating around about us possibly making an underbid for Draxler once Wenger figures out if he is top, top, top qualiteeeeeee and at least as good as Danny Welbeck. If Wenger can do it, he will try. Look, it is not always so easy to find qualiteeeeeee, especially during the transfer window. Qualiteeeeee often only emerges once the window has closed and it is time to talk about who we "looked at" and "almost signed". Sometimes you must wait for Jonny Evans to move, then everyone will move. It is a waiting game. Wait until the window closes and then strike (like Alexis is doing). This is all ideal.
No, he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Good luck to the lads (they'll need it playing under a crack addict like Wenger), and with our injury history they'll likely see a fair bit of action.Quote:
Arsene Wenger has promoted four players from Arsenal's Under-23 squad to the first team.
Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Reiss Nelson, Joe Willock and Cohen Bramall all impressed in pre-season and have been rewarded with progress to the senior group.
£50K and £60k contracts are each. Christmas has arrived early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Only thing we can say with certainty is Wenger will never learn. I think it's only starting to fully dawn what a disaster it was giving this guy another two years to work his magic. You can catch glimpses of what it might be like this time next year and it's not pretty. Imagine fucking around for a whole season with the will Wenger sign, won't Wenger sign bullshit while half our squad ran down their contracts. It's unbelievable incompetence and supreme selfishness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Couple of good youngsters there, if they can survive Wenger and the coming turmoil. This time next year we may be relying on them as major stars saunter out the door and the club "can't afford" to replace them.
What the fuck is he talking about? Is he that stupid or am I missing something?
How did he get his degree in economics? Has he not seen how fees are shooting way past the £60m and players wants north of £150k a week? We'd be taking an expensive risk and buying a lesser player for that amount on top of having to pay their wages which could easily amount to £7m - £13m a year.Quote:
Arsenal’s ideal situation has always been to secure Sanchez on a new deal at the Emirates, which they would be happy to push as high as £300,000 per week. But that would mean more than £15m per year in salary, four years of which would cost as much as foregoing a £60m fee this summer. Wenger warned how expensive even this best-case scenario would be.
Arsene Wenger speaks on Alexis Sanchez contract extension
“As well, if you extend the contract it costs you maybe more than you lose [in transfer fee] when you keep the player,” Wenger said. “You have to consider the length of the contract as well that the players want. So all that is into consideration. The financial sacrifice [of Sanchez leaving on a fee] is not as heavy as it looks.”
What's wrong with the people at the club? How can they be this shortsighted? It's similar to the dumb reasoning for why they were reluctant to extend RVP's contract. But they have no problem shelling out contracts to developing players that have no demand in the market and need no financial incentive to keep them at the club. Fucking idiots.
I used to think it was a language barrier with Wenger. But that's too convenient. He's accomplished with languages yet he seems to struggle with English - sometimes. When it suits. He comes up with this indecipherable bullshit because there's nothing credible underpinning his words. When you judge him by his actions and results he's all over the place, awash with contradictions and reversals. So he lapses into this babble because who would want to provide a clear and simple answer - I fucked up and I continue to fuck up. I'm one big fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
There were several possible routes to securing Alexis. Get rid of Wenger and bring in a decent manager. Get the chequebook out and bring in the types of player that convinced everyone we are serious about challenging. Or pay Alexis what he wanted when he asked and avoid all the bullshit that has occurred between the original demands and where we are now, having met those demands. But we passed up all those options and instead went the worst possible route to end up with the least favourable outcome. It's what Wenger does. Find the worst option, pursue it and then bullshit about it when the inevitable shit hits the fan(s).
He has three bad options now. Pay Alexis his current 7.5 mill in wages for another season and then watch a 100 million quid player (in this crazy market) walk out the door - because if we are keeping him then we can't say we passed up on the fee that applies today, what we have to say is we passed up on the fee that would have applied had we done our job properly in the first place and signed him up when there was 2 years on his contract. It's a cop out to let that contract run down and then use that mistake and the lesser value as the real loss. The real loss is higher, much higher. The opposite of other clubs who let their star players go at the peak of their value. Look at Utd, the spuds, Liverpool - when they sell it is for big money. When we sell it is for peanuts. Wasn't always that way and it's just another indicator of how badly Wenger has lost the plot.
Another choice is to settle around the 60 million mark with the gypos, save the 7.5 million in wages and then either bank the profit or grab a trolley and rush into the open arms of all the clubs who can see how desperate we are to find a replacement. Familiar story. Monaco will milk us big time if we have to beg them for Lemar. We're talking Draxler too - a deal that could have been done a year ago, which in turn might have persuaded Alexis to sign a contract extension.
Finally we can still pull the trigger and make a couple of signings that stamp the seal of ambition onto this club, ride out the season with Alexis, qualify for the CL and WIN SOMETHING. Or at least get close enough to suggest we are seriously in the chase.
The final option WILL NOT be selected. That's the only part Wenger is clear about. It's all about the money with him. He's already treating Alexis as a new signing based on the 60 million cost he perceives on the loss of a fee next season. And, by talking about the wages that way, he's tipping us off in advance that we can forget about any top world stars coming here. Too expensive. We have the money but Wenger has decided it would not be prudent to spend it. Mostly because winning is not the main thing in football, according to him. The future prosperity of the club is what counts. Spoken like a true corporatist.
I'd love for us to be proactive and sign a few top players early on and then approach Sanchez with a new contract offer and see if he's more receptive. If we decide to sell, do it from a strong position at least. Don't sell for £60m and then bid £45m for someone else. They're going to want the £60m up front.Quote:
Another choice is to settle around the 60 million mark with the gypos, save the 7.5 million in wages and then either bank the profit or grab a trolley and rush into the open arms of all the clubs who can see how desperate we are to find a replacement. Familiar story. Monaco will milk us big time if we have to beg them for Lemar. We're talking Draxler too - a deal that could have been done a year ago, which in turn might have persuaded Alexis to sign a contract extension.
Finally we can still pull the trigger and make a couple of signings that stamp the seal of ambition onto this club, ride out the season with Alexis, qualify for the CL and WIN SOMETHING. Or at least get close enough to suggest we are seriously in the chase.
So let me get this straight, losing a player who would be worth 100 million in todays market if we hadn't let his contract run down next summer will cost you less than keeping him, thus saving yourself a massive transfer fee or even selling him if you want to next season once he's tied down to a few more years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
This is utter nonsense, it would be better for us to sign him up and then decide to sell him next summer for a bucket of cash and then spend that money, losing him next summer for free means we've lost a top player and have to fork out for a replacement (cheap if you're Wenger as he'll settle for some cheap nobody - but for any normal manager it would be an expensive business).
And when Ozil and Ox walk away as well and we've lost a 3rd of our team (and 3 of our best players) I'm sure he'll think it's the ideal situation and the most cost-effective one.
This guy is suppose to know about economics and is suppose to be highly intelligent, I'm amazed at the stuff he comes out with though.
Someone give Wenger 'milk of the poppy' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Yet the people around him don't question it. How was he able to offer up that answer and people say nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Liverpool reject £114m bid from Barca for Coutinho.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40979106
Yet no bid for Ozil. ;)
When he has a plan, they back him. When he doesn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Ozil, an ex-Madrid player, to Barca is a non-starter anyway, why take on all that heat when he has an easy ride in London? But it wouldn't surprise me if Ozil leaves in the next 12 days. All it will take is for a significant club to match his wage demands. Depends if people in football really do believe the Wenger myth. Are they sitting there saying Ozil is not performing, or so they realise Ozil is as handicapped as any other player subjected to Wenger's methods? It would surprise me if Ozil, Alexis and Ox all walk in the next 12 days. Depends on how desperate certain clubs get as the deadline approaches and what other significant moves have taken place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
As said this a while back, the number 10 role is dying and I don't think many clubs are looking for a player like Özil. The Madrid /Barca link is not enough to put off a bid. Luis Enrique used to play for Real Madrid. Eto started his career at Real Madrid. Ronaldo used to be a Barca player and ended up at Real Madrid. They'll make it happen if you're worth the hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If that had been us we'd have taken the first bid and run, Liverpool on the otherhand just like they were with Suarez seem to prioritise football over finances and won't sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I hear murmurings that we are open to selling Mustafi.. WTF is up with that? We have just the right number of CB's. Why would the deluded donkey even think about selling him this late in the window?!! What a fucking tool.. just fuck off from the club!
114 mill? Bite their arm off. Coutinho's good, but nowhere near that good. They can get two great players in for that price. What about Alexis? He'd be lethal there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
How come they are attracting 114 mill bids though? Haven't they let Coutinho run his contract down? Seems to me they aren't in the same ideal position Wenger has achieved with our star players. Fools.
Think it was just a drive-by, opportunistic bid. I don't think the board has noticed, no sign of them packing Mustafi's case.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Supposedly "only" £80m up front with the rest in add ons, including him winning the Ballon D'Or which makes it considerably less appealing, especially with this summer of madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Plus we're seemingly only interested in two players in Keita and Van Dijk (though we have been linked with Draxler this week).
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss
Good guy, always tried, not top tier and prone to regular catastrophic mistakes (so he fit in perfectly) and will be best remembered for standing up to that twat Costa.Quote:
Arsenal defender Gabriel has joined La Liga outfit Valencia for £11million after just two seasons at the Emirates Stadium
The Brazilian, who has put pen to paper on a five-year contract in Spain, joined Arsenal from Villarreal for £15m in 2015 but has failed to hold down a regular place for the Premier League outfit.
He turned out 64 times over the course of the two seasons, but was often used as back-up by Arsene Wenger.
Gabriel was too erratic to ever be classed as reliable. He had some impressive games though, his aggression was always great to see. Couldn't speak English at all by the sounds of it and was never settled in this country.
Ironic that we sell a player we weren't even looking to offload, most likely because those we were trying to offload noone is willing to pay for.
Gabriel was one of those Wenger buys, the cheap unknown who has a 2% chance of coming good, didn't work out, stats let us down, better luck next time.
Also Elneny can play there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Yep, was given English regular lessons but still couldn't say good morning. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy could barely read in Portuguese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He's just one that didn't work out. Didn't cost much, no big drama.
Here's a particularly vile and nasty rumour.
His speciality is running fast in a straight line until he bumps into something and falls over. Maybe we are interested after all.Quote:
ARSENAL are reportedly stepping up their interest in Chelsea flop Juan Cuadrado after missing out on Thomas Lemar.
Calcio Mercato claims Arsene Wenger is keen on bringing Juventus winger Cuadrado back to the Premier League despite the Colombian enduring a dismal six months while playing at Stamford Bridge.
Isn't he a stat DNA player......a modern tool which Wenger is reported to be sceptical about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You're throwing tantrums over "murmurings"? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Wenger seems happy with the Kolasinac bargain: "It is a nice bargain because it allows you to divide your buy by two. When you buy two players, the price of one you buy you can divide by two. One player for £50m is two for £25m."
:blink:
Quick guys lets get more freebies in so we can divide more!
I think I understand what he is saying but we've only one bought one player so overall: :wacko:
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Originally Posted by Penguin
Our rivals are going to have even more fun dividing by 2 at the end of this season.
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Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss
It is a summer of madness but only 1 player has moved for a sum clearly in excess of 80 mill plus add ons and twinkle toes Coutinho isn't the best of them. Take the money and run I say.
Is he trying to say Lacazette is effectively a £25m buy because Kolasinac was a free transfer?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Essentially yes....
In layman terms....free free is better than pay pay. Jeeez we get it boss!
Wenger enthusing over free players, or free anything, is hardly a new concept. Shame he's not as thrifty when it comes to his own contract negotiations or the additional wonga he rolls down from his media work, the same sort of work that represented a conflict of interests when Henry tried it.
The guy's a fucking dick on all fronts.
Llorente is the latest press rumour. Zero logic to this one, I guess the hacks needed to fill some space.
Bellerin has 11 days left to save his career by getting away from that crackpot Wenger. Our right back was playing as left wingback today. If Bellerin moves to a normal team he can get his career back on track and might still end up a decent defender. One more season under Wenger and he'll be the worst goalkeeper in the league.
Sons of bitches have resurrected the Lemar rumours, apparently the deal will be done "by the end of the transfer window." This is to defuse the Draxler threat. For 32 mill there's no excuse whatsoever for us not having already signed him. Except, perhaps, one. Lemar is on the way. Yeah. Sure he is. If we can do it we will do it but if we tragically run out of time then we will be gloriously unlucky.
Meanwhile Jenks has gone to Birmingham. Good lad, out of his depth but that was 100% Wenger's fault, of course. Galatasaray want Gibbs, but only value him at 5 mill. Wenger's unique tutelage again. Walker goes for 50 mill, Wenger's victim Gibbs is watching his value trickle down the drain. Arsenal holding out for 10 mill but they'll sell for an "undisclosed fee" no doubt.