Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.

I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.

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You're being a bit overly dismissive of our chances of getting him IMO. Not that I particularly want him, but still. We are a big club, we have a manger who (whatever you think) is still well respected in the game and we have the ability (possibly not the willingness) to pay good wages.

City aren't a big club, relative to Arsenal, but they attracted top players. They did it by throwing enough money around and...well, we can debate about ambition, I don't believe spending enough till you blunder your way to the title is ambition, but the players could see what was going on and believed the club were capable of winning trophies. If we show we're serious about competing by going after the players who can push us on then I don't think we'll have too much trouble attracting top players. What we have to do is stop messing around for the sake of a few million here and there. Of course there will be negotiation but too often it seems we walk away when the gap is only a couple of million.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

It's completely different, you put in a lower offer in the hope it might be accepted based on circumstances on the seller (which you don't know about). With high profile footballers you know the deal, you know if a club wants to sell, you know the rough value of a player and thus you know low bids will get you nowhere. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could happen, it won't even if this alleged bid is real....Higuain if we did bid for him (not sure this is real either) is more realistic.

Maybe however that doesn't really matter, I don't get the impression he wants to stay in England anyway from his comments, he pretty much said he feels victimised.

We're not in pole position at all, as said before we have no chance, we won't bid enough for them to accept, he would rather move elsewhere and they won't want to sell to an English club if they do. Don't fool yourself into thinking this can happen (even if the alleged bid is real), it won't, Higuain would be more realistic (again if the bid is real, pretty sceptical about that as well now).

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suarez wants out, thats a circumstance that a low bid could be accepted. you cant moan about arsenal offering low amounts of money instead of the asking price and then justify someone else doing it in other situations. thats just wuming and agenda driven.

i dont get the impression suarez wants to stay massively, but there have been suggestions he is open to staying, he has spoken saying he is flattered by us biddng for him, hardly the commennts of a man who 100% doesnt want to stay in england, but i agree, higuain is more realistic and less of a gamble. suarez could score us 30 goals, he could also be banned for 30 games by being well by being suarez

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Originally Posted by Letters

You're being a bit overly dismissive of our chances of getting him IMO. Not that I particularly want him, but still. We are a big club, we have a manger who (whatever you think) is still well respected in the game and we have the ability (possibly not the willingness) to pay good wages.

City aren't a big club, relative to Arsenal, but they attracted top players. They did it by throwing enough money around and...well, we can debate about ambition, I don't believe spending enough till you blunder your way to the title is ambition, but the players could see what was going on and believed the club were capable of winning trophies. If we show we're serious about competing by going after the players who can push us on then I don't think we'll have too much trouble attracting top players. What we have to do is stop messing around for the sake of a few million here and there. Of course there will be negotiation but too often it seems we walk away when the gap is only a couple of million.

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Be realistic here, we've signed noone yet, we've basically done nothing but get into the top 4 since 2005 and have also sold our best players. Would you if you were a top player believe it would be a good place to come if you wanted to win silverware?

Whilst you say City aren't a big club, in the football world they are perceived to be due to their limitless resources. Look at the players they sign and can sign now, top players are interested in playing for them as they have loads of money and will spend it and have shown they can win and compete for trophies, which is at the end of the day what big players want.

Attracting big players is harder for us now as players don't really believe we're challengers, nothing we've done has shown we can be tbh, from our performances in the CL our domestic performances, our lack of spending and the fact we've sold top players has further reinforced the fact.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

suarez wants out, thats a circumstance that a low bid could be accepted. you cant moan about arsenal offering low amounts of money instead of the asking price and then justify someone else doing it in other situations. thats just wuming and agenda driven.

i dont get the impression suarez wants to stay massively, but there have been suggestions he is open to staying, he has spoken saying he is flattered by us biddng for him, hardly the commennts of a man who 100% doesnt want to stay in england, but i agree, higuain is more realistic and less of a gamble. suarez could score us 30 goals, he could also be banned for 30 games by being well by being suarez

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Liverpool don't want to sell and he's got many years of his contract left, they're in the driving seat and won't sell on the cheap...and certainly not to an English club if they can avoid it (if Chelsea or someone like that bid a huge amount it's possible of course but we won't be making bids like this). I don't justify other clubs bidding lower for top players no, but for rubbish players yes I will because if they don't perform they offer very little value to a team.

Suarez has given the impression he wants to leave English football due to feeling victimised and if he does leave Liverpool it will be abroad in all likelyness, I don't see a scenario where he would come to us.

Joel Campbell now has a work permit to play in England ##

How is any of this different to the stories of us bidding for Mata, Xabi Alonso and whoever else but failing to meet the clubs valuation? Until we match Liverpool or Madrid’s valuation, this is the same shit different toilet.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Be realistic here, we've signed noone yet, we've basically done nothing but get into the top 4 since 2005 and have also sold our best players. Would you if you were a top player believe it would be a good place to come if you wanted to win silverware?

Whilst you say City aren't a big club, in the football world they are perceived to be due to their limitless resources. Look at the players they sign and can sign now, top players are interested in playing for them as they have loads of money and will spend it and have shown they can win and compete for trophies, which is at the end of the day what big players want.

Attracting big players is harder for us now as players don't really believe we're challengers, nothing we've done has shown we can be tbh, from our performances in the CL our domestic performances, our lack of spending and the fact we've sold top players has further reinforced the fact.

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You're right about the perception of Arsenal but with our rich history and size of club it wouldn't take that much to change that perception.
Sign one big player and that would show everyone we mean business and are serious about competing, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda now

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Doesn't really matter what happens this season, the actions of past seasons are indictment enough. They have let the club fall into this state and they have done it deliberately. They chose the finances (particularly their own personal finances) over the football. Now when their excuses for shovelling money at themselves have worn thin and there's so much money coming in they can't hide it, yet again we see them penny pinching. A mother who won't feed her kids because supermarket prices are too high could also claim she is being financially prudent, in reality she's a lousy mother. Just as our board and manager are lousy at what they are supposed to be doing, competing on a football field. They could sign ten players this year but it doesn't excuse them of the damage already done.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i don't know where you dream these little power games up, I really don't.

Just looking from the outside, they paid £25mill for him, so they won't be looking for a 5m mark up seeing as he is one of the biggest talents in world football right now, combined with the fact he is a Premiership player, so a premium valuation gets added to the blue ribbon players. Also throw in that Liverpool will see us as rivals, as silly as it sounds to many Arsenal fans, that is how they will call it, based on decades of history. So they are not going to sell cheap just on that basis alone - 40m to madrid is feasible but its even higher for a domestic 'rival'.

suarez would be a mistake. brilliant player, without doubt. but apart from the trouble you would guarantee in a year or two max he would be itching to move on to barca/madrid and co.

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If we are playing mind games I'd just cut to the chase and say the Suarez circus is mostly about scupperring the Higuain deal. We put our bid in, it was accepted, the fans and media got excited, finally a big name is coming to Arsenal and then Higuain asks for £17.50 per year more than we are willing to pay. Put in a lowball bid for Suarez and send the message to Higuain he's not first choice (good thinking) and to Madrid that we're going to string them and mess them around. Madrid get upset and start biting back in the media. Success, everything blows up. We tried but everyone bar us was unreasonable. There's always January, we will sign big then.