Wenger must go end of the season

Seriously, we're seeing the sad demise of Wenger's tenure. Everyone sees it apart from the man himself. He has doomed us to a youth project where far too much of the club's money is tied up in handing fat contracts to 'promising' players who don't have what it takes to suceed now, the best of whom leave before the project matures, and the rest of whom are either burnt out before their time or expensive deadwood. Its failing before our eyes and eroding the prestige of our club - yet there is no change, no fresh approach, not even really any hope that things will turn around. And now it looks nailed on that we'll finish outside the top four, the chances are that this process will simply accelerate after this Summer.

Yet our manager stands resolutely at the helm, never turning, never deviating, as we sail into the abyss. Bad times.

The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.

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I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.

Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?

Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?

Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?

Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?

Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.

Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)

Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)

George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.

Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?

Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?

Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?

Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?

Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.

Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)

Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)

George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.

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Knowing out board we'll end up with Neil warnock or Brendan Rogers or Coyle.

Id like us to go for Moyes tbh, i think he'd be Perfect to replace AW, he knows the league inside out, done wonders with everton could do a fab job with us.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.

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Agreed.

Whilst replacing wenger isnt the entire answer, it is a start, and we do have to start somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.

Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?

Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?

Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?

Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?

Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.

Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)

Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)

George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.

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Only Jose, Gaurdiola and Hiddink should be the main choices.

Garde and Bergkamp as wildcards.

Benitez? Thats just laughable!

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Only Jose, Gaurdiola and Hiddink should be the main choices.

Garde and Bergkamp as wildcards.

Benitez? Thats just laughable!

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we won't get jose or pep and its laughable to think we ever will

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

we won't get jose or pep and its laughable to think we ever will

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I am happy with an unproven quantity who shares the previous footballing values of Wenger, yet has the ability or desire to win trophies and spend funds.

It does not have to be a major name...Stojkovic for example...yet it is now apparent as the day is long that we desperatly need a change at the helm to replensih ideas, coaching, etc at this club.

We are now worse than stale, we are regressing, and it hurts me to see Wenger treated like he is by fans, myself included, but football is a fickle business and the facts speak for themselves.

Indeed, we took a chance on Wenger did we not? And it payed off (so to speak). That's not to say it will automatically be the case this time but if you don't ever chance it, what we have now will remain.