Arsenal vs Man City. 23rd April. 15:00. FA Cup Semi-Final

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Much better manager? Their respective trophy haul would suggest otherwise. Don't remember Conte doing anything with Juventus in Europe. Don't get me wrong Conte is doing well for himself and has made a good Chelsea side that much better but he can be tactically found out just as much as Guardiola.

Remind me of how far Guardiolas replacement at Bayern got in the champions league this season?

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Conte is a better manager. Pep didn't do anything with Bayern in the Champs League. As for his Barca days, when Luis Enrique has La Liga titles and a CL medal with that Barca team, it takes the shine of Pep's achievement with that super team.

Pundits getting it all wrong as usual.

We were SHIT in the first half.

We were SHIT in the second half. But the gypos were even more shit. That was the difference.

Had NOTHING to do with these HYPE managers - who are both SHIT. Had everything to do with a few players on our team who managed to get the better of the mercenaries on their team.

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Originally Posted by Coney

I'd like to have seen Pep or Morinho's record if they had to build a stadium with the funds available leaving f-all for buying players unless you can sell to make up the money. Would they have kept CL football at their clubs? They have not had to build on low funding like Wenger had to. If Wenger had been given a billion to spend instead of having to build a stadium, I think his record would be even better.

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Zidane's first senior level management role and he's already won the Champions League. Luis Enrique has won it all with Barca but zilch before them. Pep and Mourinho are over-hyped. It puts things in perspective when nobody managers are taking over and winning.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Zidane's first senior level management role and he's already won the Champions League. Luis Enrique has won it all with Barca but zilch before them. Pep and Mourinho are over-hyped. It puts things in perspective when nobody managers are taking over and winning.

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There's MUCH more to Marketing winning CLs than the manager. The manager is more of a PR bloke at clubs like that. The rest is fixed.

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Originally Posted by GP

Nah, end of the season.

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Told you.

Wrighty wants Wenger to stay now :doh:

It's all so transient.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I've got zero respect for Pep's credentials after being taken to the cleaners by Wenger.

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I've got zero respect for the statement you've just made. Whilst I disagree with you a lot, you at least are capable of constructing sensible well thought out arguments.

Wenger is a has been who doesn't have it at the top level anymore, but all this stuff about him being a Fraud and totally useless are to be honest emotional arguments made by fans (including me I'll admit) who have grown tired of the shitshow we have witnessed.

It doesn't change my mind that I want him to go but he got it right today, how much of that was him and how much of it was the players deciding finally to show a little bit of pride is unknown. Is Guardiola somewhat overrated and similar to Wenger in that he is stubborn and only plays one way? Yes of course but the guy still won six league titles and two European cups to try and make out that's nothing or that it means nothing because of the sides he has managed that's just bizarre.

Guardiola has had a poor first season with City and this probably tops it off, but I wouldn't say City played badly today and arguably were unlucky due to having a goal disallowed which shouldn't have been.

Wenger although he's applying this logic falsely and wrongly to himself is quite right when he says people are very quick to make judgements in the short term.

BT focusing on the terrible ref decision that prevented THEIR team winning.

'scuse me! 100 billion spent on playas, and you STILL want the ref to award it to you?

BIT SAD - CUNTS!

What the fuck is Dunne talking about?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I've got zero respect for the statement you've just made. Whilst I disagree with you a lot, you at least are capable of constructing sensible well thought out arguments.

Wenger is a has been who doesn't have it at the top level anymore, but all this stuff about him being a Fraud and totally useless are to be honest emotional arguments made by fans (including me I'll admit) who have grown tired of the shitshow we have witnessed.

It doesn't change my mind that I want him to go but he got it right today, how much of that was him and how much of it was the players deciding finally to show a little bit of pride is unknown. Is Guardiola somewhat overrated and similar to Wenger in that he is stubborn and only plays one way? Yes of course but the guy still won six league titles and two European cups to try and make out that's nothing or that it means nothing because of the sides he has managed that's just bizarre.

Guardiola has had a poor first season with City and this probably tops it off, but I wouldn't say City played badly today and arguably were unlucky due to having a goal disallowed which shouldn't have been.

Wenger although he's applying this logic falsely and wrongly to himself is quite right when he says people are very quick to make judgements in the short term.

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NO! NO HE REALLY REALLY DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT TODAY.

IUf you think he did then all you have done is buy into the very conscious PR campaign that is underway right now. Wenger is 100% incompetent and he PROVED it today. We could have beaten these overhyped and overpaid mercenaries at a canter. The ONLY thing that cause us problems was the incompetent manager we have.