Hope so, the time for pet projects passed many moons ago, time to call it a day, project youth failed, must move on now surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Hope so, the time for pet projects passed many moons ago, time to call it a day, project youth failed, must move on now surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
OK. So how do you reconcile all that with us being in the top 4 right now? And the last couple of seasons where we clearly haven't been average in the context of the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We have an average squad, and incompetent, awful manage and yet right now we're in the top 4. How do you square that circle?
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Originally Posted by Letters
People who don't know what average means :bow:
As you know I don't really rate getting top 4 as much of an achievement, but even if I did I could answer that by simply saying we have more resources than our competitors for 4th, together with the collapses of other teams for one reason or another, there's time IMO where we've deserved top 4 based on our season as a whole and other we haven't, where circumstances lead to us getting 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's this constant harping on about the Top 4 Trophy that has made Wenger so hated. You seem oblivious. One of those fans Wenger has trained to view lack of achievement as an achievement in itself. Can't compete with the big boys, or even Leicester? No worries. We have achieved by hanging onto their coat tails and beating out a whole bunch of clubs with fewer resources to the coveted 4th Place Super Cup. Mostly. Except last time because Wenger, by his own admission, put his personal situation ahead of the club. Not to worry, because he still got a new contract and a pay rise. Now he's all set to steer us back to triumphant mediocrity, the coveted 4th Place World Championship Mega Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Do you know what 4th place means?
Humiliation for the fans and the players, more cash for Wenger and the backroom boys. As simple as that. There's your 4th Place Freight Rover Milk Squared Circle Cup.
It doesn't really matter whether it's much of an achievement, it definitely isn't average. And if our squad IS average then surely an "awful" manager would drag them down and we'd be nowhere near the top 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We cannot have an "average" squad AND an "awful" manager and still finish has high as we do.
My take is we have a squad which is better than anyone's apart from City, Chelsea and Utd. It is not average, not should it be given our resources. We have a manger who while not as poor as you make out is making some weird decisions and is not getting the best out of that squad. If we got a different manager then I don't think we'd be sweeping all before us - City, Chelsea and Utd all have resources to equal ours and more. I'd say where we are is about par, the 3 sides currently above us have more resources than us. But we have a squad which I think should be challenging all of them and that's where Wenger repeatedly fails.
In the context of this exact discussion it means we don't have an average squad or an awful manager. We definitely don't have both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
But I don't think it should be lauded as an achievement in and of itself and it shouldn't be the limit of our ambitions.
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Originally Posted by Letters
Dude. Seriously. The grown ups are talking :console: