Heh, he's a lot more skilled with ball than Sterling will everQuote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
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Heh, he's a lot more skilled with ball than Sterling will everQuote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
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Originally Posted by hobson's choice
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With a 'skill' like that, i'm surprised he's not gone to spuds, he sounds perfect for themQuote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Anyone think Cech is gonna go?
Chelsea are reportedly interested and Atletico this morning also
Don't begrudge him moving to another club in order to guarantee first team football but if he's going to Chelsea & Atletico to be a number two I'd much rather keep him experience & professionalism at our club and not lose out.
I just wonder what the plan is with the all new guys that have come in. Obviously we will sell a few players on but it’s difficult to know what the first choice 11 will be :shrug:
Understood, though i've never quite forgiven him for laughing and joking with the Bayern players straight after letting in five goals against them at the EmiratesQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Talk of Iwobi getting a new contract, must admit I don't get what's going on with contracts and players who haven't performed, we seem to be giving them out left, right and centre when we should be selling some of these guys to bring in better quality players.
We've got to give the new dude time to work with these players. Iowbi looked really useful to start with. Fuck knows what happened, but his development definitely stalled at the start of last season....I think we all know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Because he's black?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Hmm, yes, agreed.
Iwobi is young enough to persist with for another couple of seasons, he’s shown some glimpses of ability. Really want to see more aggression and end product from him in the final third, he’s like a blunt knife at the moment.
Didn’t bode well though that he couldn’t even get into the Nigeria team at the World Cup.
I think there is a player in there, but like a lot of our youngsters in recent times...their development has stalled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think it's worth keeping him around and seeing how he progresses this coming season. Emery obviously sees something in him.
Emery has a group of young players to work with who I believe all have a lot of potential...Iwobi is in that group, along with Chambers, Bellerin and the younger ones like Maitland-Niles and Nelson. I am hoping we will have a clear idea by the end of the season whether these guys are progressing or whether they need to be binned.
One thing I will say is that Emery has no emotional ties to these guys and will obviously be judged on a results only basis so I expect him to be a lot more cut throat with his decision making regarding the squad and underachieving players.
Happy to see Iwobi given a chance. Great balance on the ball which reminds me of Jack and Rosicky but he’s no winger. Classic Wenger move. Rosicky and Jack wasted a lot of time playing out wide. When the team clicks and everything runs smoothly, it pays off but they’ll struggle to influence the game if the teams struggling.
Hoping Unai can get more out of Iwobi if he’s getting a new contract. He should be developed as a CM. Within the same vein as Modric/Cazorla/Rosicky. No idea if he’ll get the playing time but he has talent. Dribbling, control, balance all top notch. Just strikes me as another Wenger candidate that spend too long playing 5 aside in training and hasn’t developed core skills beyond what you’ll learn during those 5 aside sessions.
Probably the homegrown rule more than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Was thinking the same - looks more of a CM being played in all the wrong place. Needs a role where the game is in front of him, and where his list of core responsibilities are more suited to his strengths (e.g. balance, control, carrying the ball forward) rather than his weaknesses (critical, quick decision making in the final 3rd). He's got a bit of presence about him too - may need a crash course in tactics and defending (same as everyone in the squad, tbh), but the raw ingredients are there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
I guess it's all about control - can still sell them down the line if we choose to, but we need to make sure it's our choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Besides, if we let them go now, after their form has been erratic and their deals are low, then we're not going to get much for them - give them a year of proper coaching, another season of games to boost their reputations and longer contracts and we might actually get a respectable fee for them if we still want to get rid!
Raw ingredients are definitely there. Will be interesting to see how much game time he gets this season and where he gets played.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
We ust be really struggling to shift the unwanted players as so far noone has been sold. Even if we have to give them away for next to nothing it's better than continuing to pay their wages, would be good to get some money.
Welbeck, Xhaka, Mustafi, Chambers, Iwobi, Perez, Campbell, Akpom, Holding, Ospina, Cech, Elneny, Jenkinson, take your pick of any of those!
Shame no one spotted it and gave it a try last season when there was less competition in the middle - he's really going to have to make the most of any chances that come his way this season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Truth be told we need a winger, I'd have sold Iwobi to by a winger as Iwobi is more of a central player (weren't they all under Wenger?), we've got so many central players in and around the team we really need players who'll give us some width.
What games he did play in the World Cup he didn't impress in for me.
How many of these are actually unwanted by the club, rather than the fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
That said, the market will start to ramp up in the next 4 weeks. Jim White is going to be wanking himself into a coma.
Hopefully most of them, we should be keen to get rid of as much deadwood left from Wengers reign as possible!Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
I blame Wenger. Henry said a couple of seasons ago that Iwobi should be played as a 10. With Ozil in the squad, that wasn't going to happen and now with Emery here, I doubt we'll be playing with a 10 this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Sometimes, players need to speak up and say where they want to play instead of accepting any old place. Seen a few end up playing in a false position and never recover.
Iwobi was genuinely unlucky to be left out. It looked like a tactical decision to me by the German manager. When he did play, he was played wide even though he should have played central and still had an impact, so generally speaking I think he's presented himself well at international level and should have easily been playing instead of Ndidi IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I also don't think as seems to be the common view that he is some transformed player when he plays for Nigeria compared to Arsenal. What is apparent is the lack of surrounding quality when he plays at that level and his skills are therefore easier to discern as a result. That almost forces him to take more responsibility and play with a little more abandon.
That probably explains why they haven’t been sold yet. I expect they’ll sell only two or three from that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Iwobi would definitely be much better in a central position than out wide. The problem is that he's too weak defensively and off the ball to play CM (just like most of the young players Wenger has brought through). But he's still young so it's not too late for him to learn.
His defending is suspect. But not too late to learn. I just don't think he'll get a chance to play there under Unai. He's going to have to really pull his socks up to impress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
On another note not sure what to make of the Ramsey contract situation, the new season isn't too far away and still he hasn't signed on. Is he going to sign or are we going to sell him, either way we better hurry up otherwise he'll be another player we lose for free.
I'm 50/50 on Ramsey. I really don't know how he'll cope with a high pressing game and fear he'll keep picking up hammy injuries. If we give him a ridiculous contract and he keeps on getting injured because his body can't handle the intense pressing game, we'll be stuck with an injury prone player on a very expensive contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
On the other hand we could end up losing a really good player. I don't rate Ramsey that highly at all but it's just off the back of Emery wanting him to stay that has me wanting to see what he can do under new management. But I'm curious to see how every Arsenal player reacts under new management.
I actually think there is a lot less to find out about Ramsey than others. We know he can be exceptional and may well benefit from the structure and discipline of Emery but we have less idea about how several others will get on. Sadly he may well always be injury prone.
Can't see Iwobi getting much game time at all to be honest.....though he isn't the only one.
Barcelona announce Malcom deal. £41m.
WTF!
Seri to Fulham, Moutunho to Wolves..... Malcom to Barce!
Yeah, my hopes for Ramsey are more about seeing him in a role that suits him, within a system that suits him, and surrounded by a group of players that allow him to be himself without leaving gaping holes in the midfield whenever goes marauding off somewhere. I don't see him suddenly discovering extra levels of tactical and positional discipline - I see him as more of an all-action player who needs to be everywhere at once, so for me it's more about finding our Alonso and Mascherano to compliment his natural Gerrard style of play: the guys who provide the solid structure and shape and tactical nous while Ramsey charges about and doubles-up as the extra man pretty much everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
As you say, the major reservation has to be how long we can rely on him for before he breaks down? Potentially great while he's fit, but should we really be building a system around a player who could easily be out for half of every season?
Then again, maybe I'm worrying about nothing under our new coaching setup? It's hard to shake off 22 years of Wengerised thinking, and my first thought is still to view things in terms of a best XI and a one-size-fits-all system, with very little rotation - maybe (hopefully) Emery has multiple shapes and systems planned, in which case Ramsey's fitness may not be the major issue I'm fearing?
I think if you're wanting to offer him a package that is actually appealing enough for him to sign a contract, make him captain and a key part of the way we play most or at least a substantial amount of the time, then his injury record is a major issue.
As arseblog suggests the heralded IRS and their credibility really come into play in situations like these, because none of the other things to date were particularly tricky. At least ostensibly....ie Sokratis, Torreira, Litchensteiner....Leno. The manager as well of course, but he doesn't have the all encompassing role operationally that his predecessor had.
Given we have lost Santi (no real difference of late in reality) Wilshere and may still (even after the English new transfer deadline) lose Ramsey I really wish we'd managed to sign Banega or somebody like Seri.
I'm hoping Dembele is lost down the back of Barce's sofa so that we can pounce, then that will make 2 players this summer I'm genuinely really looking forward to seeing.
Dembele is apparently unsettled now they've signed Malcom in the Middle.
Though I'm sure they'd want to recoup most of that 100m they spent on him, would we stump up that kind of cash?
Maybe? If we thought he was worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I mean we supposedly offered 126m for Mbappe and 90m for Lemar, so I don't think money is necessarily a problem...
Dembele can play on either side, talk is of Malcom on one side, Dembele on the other. Don't think they'll sell him, they need to add rather than lose players especially with Suarez and Messi in their 30s. Plus we have no chance as we'll never stump up the money as they'll want most of their cash back, this is a pipedream I reckon.