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Make him stay the year, this gives Giroud and Podolski time to bed in to the league. If necessary, sell him in 6 months time when the others have settled in. What a prick RvP is, hero to zero in seconds. How can he disagree with being in the CL again and us signing 2 international strikers. What more does he expect?? There's no way we can spend £100m nor should we.
I'll be surprised if Walcott goes as well, what team in the top 4 is going to play him as often as we do. Fuck it we have Gervinho and the Ox. I hate footballers, bunch of selfish pricks. I can see someone like Diaby having a stormer of a season and then pissing off too.
I suspect RvP and Theo were 2 that wanted to leave last season, but Wenger asked them to stay just one more in the hope they would change their minds. We should never let players go down to their last year. Even if they want to leave, make them sign but give them an assurance they can go, at least then we can get a decent price. 6 year contracts all round (apart from the dross).
Also lets be honest, what are the chances RvP will play another full season. He's 29, so its hardly like his best years are ahead of him. Good luck sitting on the bench at another club. You'll never be idolised like you were at Arsenal, what a fuck up.
There is no point in selling for 20million, just goes into kroenkers pocket. From now in we should just trade players. If Man city want rvp, then realistically Johnson and Richards would equate to the same value. Or lescott and Johnson. Both would be more useful to us. In fact why don't we trade Walcott and rvp. Johnson, Richards, lescott and guidetti that Swedish kid that wants out. Then we buy mvila with the sale of all our dead wood combined. Sorted. If wenger isn't getting the cash then trading players is the answer aurely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal Fan
RVP would be foolish to join City. They have too many strikers. But we need City in the picture to bump up the transfer fee. There is no point in keeping him for an extra year. It's not about the money, it's the damage he'd do while at the club. I don't think he'd sulk or deliberately cause a mutiny but having him around, scoring goals, talking to the players....even if he does well and scores another ton, we all know he's off next season and his presence will always be a reminder of our failings as a club. If we're dependent on him again next season and it turns out that Poldoski and Giroud are shit..I think it would turn more players against the club.
If we aren't going to spend money on players, at least we could be more imaginative in player trading carrying out activity similar to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
i really dont want to see the fuck playing for us next year, let alone captaining the side.
There are those risks involved in having him see out his contract. But given that he is en route to 30, after next season, how much more would we be likely to get out of him if he did sign? I wouldn't be averse to having him stay another year. But only if there was something clear from him stating the he intended to honour his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That said I doubt we'll get that, in which case, we need him out the door asap so we can for better or worse concentrate on getting the team that is going to start next season prepared in order to avoid the disruption and subsequent disastrous start of last year.
how on earth does johnson and richards equate to RVP? thats two 5 million pound players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
i'd have balotelli and zabaleta/de jong, job done.
Ship him out. 10mil is fine. Just get him out the door, and Theo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
nice idea, but i just cant see wenger doing this
if we dont sell the fuck, what kind of reception will he get at the emirates every other week?
Have you lost your mind? Balotelli helped Italy get to the final of the Euros and he's still 21/22. RVP has a year left on his contract, has a terrible injury record, he's 29 and had a terrible Euro campaign. We'd be lucky to get £15m for him. That's how much we sold Henry for around the same age and he was way better than RVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Batoltelli is worth £20m -£30m. It's never going to happen.
Generally the crowd aren't dribbling retards like those at Stoke, so I imagine they'll just golf clap him, and nip off to queue for half time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal Fan
How is richards a 5million pound player or johnson for that matter, the two of them would walk into our team. Anyways - that's not the point, the point was that player trading is far more useful to us than money that won't be guaranteed to be reinvested into the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Plus Zabaleta/De Jong? Really? Out of all of Man City's players you'd pick one of those two?
I doubt that. So many fans sound really pissed off with him. Wouldn't be surprised if he got abuse. Pretty foolish since we all knew this would be the outcome last summer when we sold Cesc and Nasri. Theo is next to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I think he is professional enough to deliver for us. But honestly, I don't see him playing for us next season. If you read the Club statement it in no way implies that they are trying to keep RvP for the remainder of his contract. It focuses on 'planning....for next season with Arsenal's best interests in mind'.
The Club's best interest has got to be to resolve the situation one way or another over the next few days.
balotelli is worth 17-20mill. still very inconsistent and prob not a city starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
so lets see, the guy who keeps richards out of the city team who is adept at left and right back and a fully-fledged international starting defensive midflielder for a premier nation.... or two clowns who cant even get into one of the shittest international squads in europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
A few boos initially then he'll score a goal and everyone will be cheering :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal Fan
PnG's point about the damage it could cause to have him here for the season is a good one though.
Richards and Johnson are pretty shit to be fair. Your judgement seems to be way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
We're you also screaming of us to sign Onhoua (or however the fuck you spell it) at one point? Now he really is garbage.
The biggest question I have is whether Giroud and Podolski are replacements for van Persie, or for Park/Bendtner/Vela/Chamakh. If RvP is replaced by a very promising talent; like Yarmolenko, Leandro Damiao, van Wolfswinkel or Destro, then there is a hope the team can challenge. If he is replaced with a proven top striker, like Huntelaar, Llorente or Jovetic, then I fully believe we'll challenge (if a DM is added...).
All the big players Arsenal have lost have been foreign born with ambitions to play for the big continental clubs (Anelka, Vieira, Henry, Fabregas). Who wouldn't want to live in Barcelona? Who wouldn't want to be PAID to live in Barcelona?! Nasri is perhaps the exception (Hleb, Flamini, Petit and Overmars were probably influenced by lifestyle and money). But we've seen what type of man he is (I think Clichy was allowed to go as Wenger ultimately thought Gibbs would be better, and Toure/Adebayor left due to disagreements with key players). I'm not regretting that Nasri and the other ex-Arsenal players at Man City left us. Van Persie; you can see and understand his dilemma. But he shouldn't have said those things in his statement, nor to his Dutch pal before Euro 2012. And if he goes to Man City, that one would hurt.
The case studies that will determine Arsenal's standing, ambition and influence will be Walcott's contract decision, and the futures of Wilshere, Chamberlain, Gibbs and to a certain extent, Szczesny. I can see foreign players like Sagna, Vermaelen and Koscielny wanting to play in another country. But what will our British talent (Szcszesny is practically a Cockney) do?
We don't pay over £10m for bench players with that much experience.
Reckon thats what Stan thinks the way things are done anyway, would explain why we dont see any of his cashQuote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
We're not going to get Balotelli. Get that out of your mind. Wenger would never be able control him anyway and he'd end up causing a riot in our dressing room. We can't even afford his wages, damn it. We have to be realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
He's 29 nearly 30.
A player at that age is gonna want a 3 or 4 year deal.
When has AW ever granted that to anyone that age?
He would have stayed if he had gotten his pay packet. No question.
Let's credit our management with a little more common sense than that.
If we sigined himon a 4 year deal as the top earner at the club, where does it leave us when he's on the treatment table, or unable to play consistently / loses pace etc.
Paying massive wages for a player that isn't top quality anymore is where it leaves us....and in more orless the same position as having Bendtner on your books and not being able to shift the ****.
No doubt we offered two years. He said I want four. We said on your bike, and now he's bitter about it.
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Shove it up your arse RVP.
who cares, point is there are many options. almost all of citys squad players would improve us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
zabaleta + de jong + 10 mill. job done.
Had the best part of the day to think about this and even though it took me by surprise I stoll dont feel gutted. It may be that Wenger got in two replacements before we the bomb dropped but I believe we will ride through this storm.
Sure we relied very heavily on RvPs goals last year but if I got any positives from last year was that we played with more togetherness than I have seen for ages. We may not see his category of goal for a while but the team aint going to die and although my initial reaction was to keep him for the last year as I imagine there will be less interest in him come this time next year, I agree with PnG that the risk of damage to the team is great and we need to move on. I think Juve showed us where the bidding starts and those thinking wr are getting 20-40are touched.
I say take 10-15 max and go and test that apparent cheap release clause in Ba's contract, could do worse, PL experience, jump at a chance to play in CL and fuck it get MVila, we obviously have the money as we were iinterested enough before the stories started flying around, we gave enough dead wood to bring in some cash as well, also with RvP and Nic on their way we are going to need at least one stroppy cu#t
Pods - Giourd - Robin sounded good for a brief moment. . .though was never going ti happen
the saddest part is he could have been up there with henry and bergkamp if he guided us to trophies but now he is nothing more than adebayor.
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Originally Posted by LDG
They didn't talk about the contract or wages apparently. If what you said is true, Wenger will make a statement and say we offered him a fair contract or something like that.
Realistically though, how often do players get traded in that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
I don't think that is entirely fair. He is entitled to decide on whether or not he wants to sign a new contract.
However, no that the decision has been made and it unlikely his position is tenable, lets get this sorted right away with the only consideration being what is best for the Club.
That said, my faith in the people supposed to be running the Club to do that is pretty low.
Meh. I really don't care tbh.
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
I get the sense that this togetherness is about to be dealt a death blow. RVP was a big part of that and you could see it in the way he lead as a captain and how the players responded to him. Theo is next to leave, an issue that we haven't even touched on yet and having two of our best performers from last season leave in another summer window is really going to mess with the squad. Certain players are going to be pissed off and their going to be questioning our ambition next...wash and repeat. It's downward spiral because we keep chipping away at what we're building and it's two steps back every bloody season.
To counter the negative, the club has to bring in two or three quality players if RVP and Theo leave this summer. We can't go into next season with these departures. It's too bloody negative and we'll have a repeat of the last season where nobody felt like playing and we looked flat. What pisses me off is the fact that we could all see this coming ages ago but the club sat back and did nothing. When RVP had two years left on his contract and we had the hoopla with Nasri and Cesc, I said there is no way RVP and Theo are going to sign new deals after this summer. We needed a big season to convince them to stay and we should have showed more ambition in the January transfer window. We didn't and we're not learning the lesson.
Good luck at a team which isn't completely moulded around you and at which you're not Jesus. How does that work out in the Dutch team?
Hoping for a couple of juicy fights between Balotelli and RVP being reported in the gutter press.
Also, for how long can he remain injury free? Sell him and give all the money to Alex Song tbh.
Alex Song :bow:
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Originally Posted by LDG
You could say the Club have learnt a lesson and demonstrated it by making two signings at the right side of the window. Other than that however, we are repeating the same mistakes of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
In mitigation however, how big a priority would extending RvP have been this time last year? What would have been the reaction to offering a talented yet injury prone striker an extended contract up to when he is around 33?
Song's not signing a new deal. He's trying to get his stock up and get noticed by the big clubs. He'll be gone next summer.
I Know What You Did Next Summer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That last statement shows the hypocrisy of this whole affair. We can't talk about showing loyalty when we're considering throwing players on the scrap heap because of their age and injury record. If we're thinking about how much we can get out of him, he's thinking along the same lines and has every right to want out after his contract has ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.