Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Look at David Dein's interview in the lead up to his 1000th game.
That will tell you whether he cares how we do better than us internet twats endlessly speculating.

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I personally think there is a middle ground with all this caring stuff. I don't think he flat out doesn't care, I think he is only happy winning his way which is more or less impossible, it's a flawed ideology which has failed repeatedly. As a football manager he simply doesn't care enough to win at all costs, if his methods fail he will try them again and again and again. He's not pragmatic, we have all the evidence needed to come to that conclusion.

He can throw water bottles, hold his stomach in pain, blame the fans as much as he wants but he won't be improving the teams fortunes until he addresses his flawed ideology.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Thanks for that, proved my point then, it's laughable that people say he cares, there's no evidence to show this, he only stays because football is his life and he makes a pretty good living out of it :good:

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On in other words, nothing that goes against the running narrative i run on this board, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year can be considered.

Your comments are informed by a sense of emotion and frustration, that you seem to think no-one else shares and anyone who doesn't sound off like you do incessantly is somehow brain washed....because only your rather ill thought through conclusions can possibly be correct.

Wenger is past his sell by date and he is making himself look more ridiculous every passing day at the club, let's leave it at that.....without trying to psychoanalyse his motives and re-write history to make it appear like he's always been the same way but too many people were too blind to see it.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

That's my point. That statement wasn't designed to reassure the fans. He's smart enough to know to gauge the temperature with the fans. He's spoken with Le Grove and spoken with Arsenal Fan TV. He saw how bad things were last season so it's not as if he's unaware and he just made a clumsy statement. That looked like gas on the fire.

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I don't think he was trying to reassure the fans either, i think he saw Wenger was dithering and that the writing was on the wall for how things would pan out and got defensive in order to cover Wenger and cover himself as someone who is technically his boss.

For me the clubs fans are the people you're trying to please at the end of the day, they're the consumer effectively, the fact he blames/pagtronises and belittles the paying customer (who are the club because without them it wouldn't exist) is a sign he doesn't really care about the club.

Sure he cares about making a profit for his boss and getting his big pay packet at the end of the day, why wouldn't he, he's looking after his own interests and of course his personal relationships with those above him and his players but that's about it IMO.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Here we go again.....Dein left years ago pal, you always bring up the same rubbish.

LeClown is an arrogant, self absorbed patronising man, no doubt about it, only someone blind can't see through this, he's good at brainwashing though I'll give him that, he's bought himself over 10 years thanks to it.

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:lol: Letters will use the same examples in each debate.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I personally think there is a middle ground with all this caring stuff. I don't think he flat out doesn't care, I think he is only happy winning his way which is more or less impossible, it's a flawed ideology which has failed repeatedly. As a football manager he simply doesn't care enough to win at all costs, if his methods fail he will try them again and again and again. He's not pragmatic, we have all the evidence needed to come to that conclusion.

He can throw water bottles, hold his stomach in pain, blame the fans as much as he wants but he won't be improving the teams fortunes until he addresses his flawed ideology.

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I think there's something in that. He does want to win in the 'right' way and while that is in some ways admirable it needs to be mixed with a bit of pragmatism and we're now perfectly able to spend big without putting ourselves in financial difficulty.
Ozil and Sanchez showed he is willing to spend money but overall we seem hopeless at closing deals.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:lol: Letters will use the same examples in each debate.

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We were talking about Wenger's feelings and attitudes. You don't think an interview with a man who worked with him for years and still sees him regularly is relevant to that debate?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

On in other words, nothing that goes against the running narrative i run on this board, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year can be considered.

Your comments are informed by a sense of emotion and frustration, that you seem to think no-one else shares and anyone who doesn't sound off like you do incessantly is somehow brain washed....because only your rather ill thought through conclusions can possibly be correct.

Wenger is past his sell by date and he is making himself look more ridiculous every passing day at the club, let's leave it at that.....without trying to psychoanalyse his motives and re-write history to make it appear like he's always been the same way but too many people were too blind to see it.

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I'm questioning the ascertion he cares, I don't see how someone who cares about a football club can be be dishonest/patronising and point the finger at the very people this club is built upon.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I don't think he was trying to reassure the fans either, i think he saw Wenger was dithering and that the writing was on the wall for how things would pan out and got defensive in order to cover Wenger and cover himself as someone who is technically his boss.

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Is that covering for Wenger or himself? It's not smart considering the climate and Gazidis is no fool.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:lol: Letters will use the same examples in each debate.

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Pretty much, it's that or stats. :lol: