Wenger must go end of the season

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.

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Strange argument. We're talking about the reasons why we aren't winning. Sure, if this policy of underinvestment had led to great success people would back it and the board would have earned their bumper pay day. But that's not what has happened. Unsurprisingly the lack of investment has led to failure. I just want to know why a few have done so well from this failure while the majority suffer the consequences. I also don't think it is necessary to stop supporting the club before it's permissible to voice anger over how the club is being run.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.

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I think you have made a very poor point there. The strategy followed is less likely to yield winning results and many, including players such as Vieira bemoaned the strategy and lack of investment while we were still winning.

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Originally Posted by GB.

I think you have made a very poor point there. The strategy followed is less likely to yield winning results and many, including players such as Vieira bemoaned the strategy and lack of investment while we were still winning.

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Not investing at all will do that or investing money in the wrong places will do that. This isn't directed at everyone but NQ and from discussions in the past, I get the impression he has a problem with owners making money off football in general. With such strong views, I can't see the sense in going to games. This club has been making a profit in the transfer window for a very long time and the Board have always left Wenger to get on with it. I just think we're a club run by old guys that understand very little about how to attain success on the pitch so they leave Wenger to it and support him. This is how we got here. They trust Wenger, like we all have in the past. I don't want a board that starts to interfere with what happens on the field by dictating to the manager. That would be a worry. The manager should have the vision IMO. Wenger gets the credit for the move to the Emirates, youth set up and even the smooth pitch surface we play on. Regards to lack of investment, I blame Wenger for spending the money foolishly. He chooses to search for so called players of the future and gambles on them. Our wage bill reflects that. We have millions to spend on player contracts for dozens of kids and not enough left in the pot for a world class talent. It's bad management but we all agree with that. I think. But in regards to the Board cashing in...I don't really care for that stuff. They took a huge gamble on massive projects and nobody really recognises that. They're old with Wenger harping on about financial prudence and the reckless behaviour in football, maybe they think it's time to sell up. If we want them gone then so be it. They should probably step on Wenger's neck for the results, but again, I think we're a club that leaves a lot to the manager. The one thing I ask is that they have a plan for when Wenger is gone. We must be left in good hands.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

You can say the same about Wenger! We don't have top dollar - that's the problem.

When we sign a player from Everton, and they have to take a pay cut to join us, you know we're fucked.

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Well you have to give him credit not doubt, he has done wonders for us on a budget, but everton have less of a budget then us, spent less then us in the last few years, they would have been up there and abouts with investment.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I don't think there is a reluctance to accept it at all. We all know it's fucked. We all know he's made mistakes, and I don't hink there is one person on this MB that thinks otherwise.

Some are more sentimental, yes, and rightly so. He's provided us with football and trophies some clubs can only ever dream of.

Nobody is denying that something needs to happen either. But when you're talking about a 500 million + business, you can be sure as shit there's more to it than Wenger fucking up on the pitch.

We don't know the full story, and yet people still want to rush into rash changes, because that's what we do as football fans.

I don't want to continually see the shite that has befallen this great club; I live and breath every moment of a match, sing my fucking lungs out and shake and shiver with nerves when kick off comes.

But I don't want to just dismiss Wenger, employ David Fucking Moyes, and see us blunder into an oblivion that is even harder to get out of than the current trough.

I want us to put football first for a change, and to me, that require the owners to kick that process off. Not make a rash change for changes sake, and then have a revamp again when it all goes bust.

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This we have a board who run the club like its fucking Harrods not Arsenal fc. Thats the model they are trying to sustain, Lets treat the fans as customers not fans anymore. They don't care about the fans or winning cups not like 10-20 years ago, as long as the profits come in its success.

Would jaffa have done better then Stan the man, no way to no for sure but at least you had a feeling he be a bit more ambitious and a risk taker, unlike the guy we have now.

Alot of Yanks only care about making money and were seeing eveidence of that now.

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This isn't directed at everyone but NQ and from discussions in the past, I get the impression he has a problem with owners making money off football in general.

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Come off it PnG, Ihave a problem with owners coming in to the game to bleed the clubs. Of course they have to make money or they wouldn't be here. But where's the give to go along with the take? Typically profit is income less expenses. When it's just income I call that gouging. And as for their risk, no wonder people don't appreciate it. What were they risking? A £300mill pay out instead of £500mill? How much did they invest in the first place? But it's weird, isn't it? These tired old clueless men who know so little they have to leave everything to Wenger. They knew enough to be able to maximise their return come what may and at any cost to the club. A shit team, shit sponsorship deals, the highest ticket prices going. My heart bleeds.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

This we have a board who run the club like its fucking Harrods not Arsenal fc. Thats the model they are trying to sustain, Lets treat the fans as customers not fans anymore. They don't care about the fans or winning cups not like 10-20 years ago, as long as the profits come in its success.

Would jaffa have done better then Stan the man, no way to no for sure but at least you had a feeling he be a bit more ambitious and a risk taker, unlike the guy we have now.

Yanks only care about making money and were seeing eveidence of that now.

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Dont hate on all yanks! Some of the dumb ones actually even care about family, loyalty and giving to the poor... dumb asses! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Dont hate on all yanks! Some of the dumb ones actually even care about family, loyalty and giving to the poor... dumb asses! :rolleyes:

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Changed it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Come off it PnG, Ihave a problem with owners coming in to the game to bleed the clubs. Of course they have to make money or they wouldn't be here. But where's the give to go along with the take? Typically profit is income less expenses. When it's just income I call that gouging. And as for their risk, no wonder people don't appreciate it. What were they risking? A £300mill pay out instead of £500mill? How much did they invest in the first place? But it's weird, isn't it? These tired old clueless men who know so little they have to leave everything to Wenger. They knew enough to be able to maximise their return come what may and at any cost to the club. A shit team, shit sponsorship deals, the highest ticket prices going. My heart bleeds.

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They're not bleeding the club. This is Wenger's vision. Why do you think he wanted to build the youth academy? This has always been his plan. He doesn't want to spend.

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Arsène Wenger will be satisfied if Arsenal's next 16 years are as productive as their last 16.

The Arsenal manager has enjoyed plenty of success since he arrived at the Club in 1996, overseeing two league and cup doubles, seven major trophies in total and an unbeaten title campaign.

Times are tougher right now with the Gunners hunting a first Premier League win in five matches and facing, in Wenger's words, "a big fight" to secure Champions League football next season.

At his pre-match press conference the Frenchman was reminded that Arsenal have never been as low as seventh at this stage of the season while he’s been in charge.

"The fact that we have never been in this position is rather a credit to me in 16 years so I do not take that as blame," he responded.

"I take that as fantastic consistency, and that is the most difficult thing at the top level.

"I believe we played 15 years on the trot in the Champions League and we play in 10 days in the last 16 of the Champions League. We want to come back in the Champions League position in the league, we want to prepare properly for the next round of the FA Cup and I wish that in the next 16 years it will be exactly the same for the club and that the fans will be happy.

"I am here to make all of the fans happy and when I do not manage to do it I am, of course, not happy. But what is most important is that we have our fans happy at the end of the season.

"We lost three games and then the confidence drops a little bit," added Wenger. "But overall we have shown a great response against Aston Villa where we came back with a fantastic 3-2 win and I feel that on Wednesday night we deserved to win the game.

"Overall I feel this team is strong mentally with a good spirit and attitude. We are ready for a fight and that is the most important thing."

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