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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Scholes is a pundit now so therefore an ex-professional in every sense. The comments about Wilshere were pure shit. I know some will leap to the defence of the Utd guy but Scholes knows how it is and how he's just helped heap more shit on a player struggling with injury. Scholes is in big danger of destroying what was previously an untarnished record as one of the model pros in the game. Shame.

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Don't agree, Wilshere has been largely sh*t recently, he seemed a better player when he first broke through, he seems to think he's some sort of big shot now and his application and behaviour isn't exactly great, Scholes was spot on.

Just because he came through the youth ranks it doesn't save him from criticism, his passing, tackling, positioning and end product are all disappointing, he has the odd good game but that's not enough. Injury or no injury he should be better than he is if he really is the talent some think

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Also don't forget who is driving this:
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Shut it Scholes? Is that what Wenger said? I didn't think so. The media can't be trusted to report anything, they lie as a matter of routine.

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He didn't say shut it, but saying "people who have managed zero games" he's effectively saying WTF does he know, as if being a manager is the only way you can judge a team.

From what Wenger says he disproves this, he's a poor judge of teams because he thinks his team is better than it is.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He didn't say shut it, but saying "people who have managed zero games" he's effectively saying WTF does he know, as if being a manager is the only way you can judge a team.

From what Wenger says he disproves this, he's a poor judge of teams because he thinks his team is better than it is.

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Im not quite sure that his comment about managed zero games is actually at Scholes but more at half the journalists on twitter and probably half the cry babies on twitter.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

Im not quite sure that his comment about managed zero games is actually at Scholes but more at half the journalists on twitter and probably half the cry babies on twitter.

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It's at Scholes because he also says

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"If six points is a 'million miles away', I don't know what the translation of a mile into a point is."

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Scholes made the million miles away comment after the game the other day.

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Originally Posted by Özim

It's at Scholes because he also says



Scholes made the million miles away comment after the game the other day.

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I know what Scholes said but Arsene also said this. full quote for the zero games

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"Everybody has opinions, people who have managed zero games have opinions and we have to accept that. We are in a society where there are thousands of opinions every day, and some go for you and some go against you. You have to live with that.

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Obviously he has made his comments against scholes but its clear it wasn't all aimed at scholes. when you get twats like neil ashton saying give solado time to settle after calling ozil a flop etc, i think Arsene was aiming that last bit at them

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I know what Scholes said but Arsene also said this. full quote for the zero games

Obviously he has made his comments against scholes but its clear it wasn't all aimed at scholes. when you get twats like neil ashton saying give solado time to settle after calling ozil a flop etc, i think Arsene was aiming that last bit at them

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Maybe that's true, but two parts are clearly responses at Scholes comments from the other day, he was seemingly irked by these even though they were valid points to be fair.

Wenger doesn't seem to want to accept that his team aren't good enough, this is ultimately what bugs me the most, it's denial like this that just makes me thinks he's just not the man for the job, if he doesn't acknowledge our shortcomings what is there for him to fix, does he just think another year of experience will make all the difference as he has so often said in the past?

@johncrossmirror

Wenger says #afc only "really beaten" once this season.

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Wenger said: “The only game for me where we were really beaten was at Liverpool. The rest is a bit more coincidence going negatively together.

“At Chelsea the game was over after ten minutes. At Liverpool were were outplayed on the day and there’s not a lot to say.

“One week later we beat Liverpool (in the FA Cup) and no-one says there is a gap there between the two teams.

“You have to accept that it is not always as simple as that in the game. You play ten times the same team and every time it’s a different game.”

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u wot m8 :haha:

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Originally Posted by Munchies

@johncrossmirror

Wenger says #afc only "really beaten" once this season.



u wot m8 :haha:

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If this is true this really sums it up, he just doesn't accept we got beaten like this due to issues with the team/squad, it's just circumstances and bad luck.

How many top teams get thrashed three times in the space of a season and are considered as good or even close to the top teams?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Maybe that's true, but two parts are clearly responses at Scholes comments from the other day, he was seemingly irked by these even though they were valid points to be fair.

Wenger doesn't seem to want to accept that his team aren't good enough, this is ultimately what bugs me the most, it's denial like this that just makes me thinks he's just not the man for the job, if he doesn't acknowledge our shortcomings what is there for him to fix, does he just think another year of experience will make all the difference as he has so often said in the past?

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Fair point in terms of the denial and therefore unlikely to fix things but to counter that he did make moves to sign a DM and top striker in the summer. Clearly interested in improving that area although interest and actually doing it are two vey different things but your point about another year experience i do think would have been valid this year if our team had stayed fit. You saw how good we were in the first half of the season, while we might not have won the league, a season for Ozil to adjust with ramsey, jack, gibbs, szcesney, cazorla etc etc all learning with Ozil and then being ready next season would have been great experience but injuries have robbed us of that chance. Now there is a completely different argument about injuries etc and treatment for it but thats hardly something you can lay at Arsene's door but more medical staff door.

Now if you take the team that played up until the Napoli game in decemeber. Some of the football played by that team was outstanding, the napoli home, or norwich game were brilliant. That team had a solid defence, strong midfield but weak striker. There isn't actually much you would say to improve that team (starting eleven) bar a striker and DM. Then we come to the bench and squad and we need to strengthen there too but otherwise that team with everyone fit and the bench is pretty strong. Strong enough to lead for most of the season until that point. Then injuries happened. Now while our tactics in big games recently have been lacking and the city game too was awful, and there is an now a stronger argument for Arsene to retire rather then renew, his point about not having much to fix (or your point) could actually be seen as true when you ignore injuries.

Let say, a fully fit squad.

starting team is: Szcesney, Sagna, BFG, Kos, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Cazorla, Ozil, Theo, Giroud
subs: Fabianski, Monreal, Vermaelen, Flamini, Podolski, Ox, Diaby

then you have other players like: Gnabry, Jenkinson, Rosicky, Sanogo, Bendtner, Kallstrom.

Now we can debate all we like about which players would start etc but lets leave that alone for the moment. That is our fully fit squad with no injuries. The starting team is pretty strong. Imagine if you took out Giroud and Arteta and replaced with Bender and Suarez for example. Suddenly that team looks incredibly different. The bench then looks stronger with Giroud and Arteta on it while the squad looks stronger with Podolski and Flamini in it. There are other players who would also stregthen the starting team too but those two named are just examples based on last summers interest.

Now the next thing would be to strengthen the squad with a few decent 10/12 million pound signings. Obviously some players i have named above will be leaving like Fabianksi, Bendtner etc so they need to be replaced as well. So if we were to do that, as well as get in two big players (striker and DM) we actually have a very very strong starting team, bench and squad.

One problem we have though, is we can't actually ever play our full strength side as we always have injuries, that needs to be looked at and sorted ASAP but lets ignore injuries for this debate as its not actually in Arsene's control, more the medical teams control. So with that squad, added with additions in the summer, in terms of personal he doesn't need to fix much IMO, and the reason i think he will fix it is because he tried last summer and with more money this summer, there really is no excuse. So its tactics that need to be changed and fixed next after sorting out personal, and lets face it, its only really tactics in big matches against the big teams (hopefully big matches like semi finals v wigan don't come into this) that need to be changed and fixed. I think in the majority of matches this season, Arsene has got his tactics right and thats why we led for so long this season but when we come up against the big teams, we failed in the away matches, although the home matches weren't brilliant either but so far (touch wood) unbeaten in the big games at home but the problem is its been that way for too long. I think perhaps it is right for Arsene to retire this season and i hope to god he goes out with the cup, he deserves that but for the new man, who will probably be quite similar to Arsene in style of play etc, he doesn't have much to fix. Even if Arsene stays, he doesn't have much to fix with a fully fit squad bar the mental barriers and tactics in the big games. The problem is when it goes wrong with us, it goes wrong big time and its why its time for change but i don't think Arsene is blind or deluded when inferring there isn't much to fix, I don't think there is either but the chances of us having a fully fit squad for the season is unlikely and the chance of that happening coupled with mid season explosion again is very high under Arsene and thats why perhaps its best he leaves at the end of the season.

Simple option for everyone, stand behind the Utd cunt with the big mouth or stand behind our manager and our team. Really, really, simple option.

To be apologising for the media literally making shit up, all in an effort to pile more on Wenger - it's sad. Any old shit as long as it is anti-Wenger. Big game coming up tomorrow and look at the bitches on here moaning and whinging. Apparently Wenger doesn't motive the team.

Well it's a good job we don't let the moaning cocksuckers on here anywhere near the team then isn't it :lol: