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Stand behind a manager I don't believe in anymore after 9 years of empty promises and nothing to show.
Sorry I'm done with standing behind him, especially if he remains in denial and accepts thrashings as "just a bad day of the office".
It's not about standing behind Scholes either, it's about looking at his points and deciding whether they are valid, to most people they are. Scholes really doesn't have a big mouth, he's more like a mouse. :lol:
he has a slight but very weak point here. Against city, there were four goals either disallowed or allowed that were completely wrong decisions and would have changed the game massively had they been given correctly. It might not have changed the overall result but perhaps city would have only won by one goal in which case its not a hammering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
The chelsea game was i guess because we had so many injuries that it was no where near our full strength team which is true to an extent but poor planning etc in the summer cost us there although you can't plan for so many key players to be out.
The liverpool game, well that was our best side minus theo and he's right, we were totally taken apart.
A weak point but one that has something to it.
He's gone mental and is in full on WUMger mode now.
Come off it Ollie. There's no way you can realistically defend such an absurb position. In all three games our team set up and tactical arrangement was plain wrong - once you can rule it out to a bad day at the office, but three times? No way. This isn't talking about the Stoke and Man Utd games were whilst we weren't comprehensively outplayed by superior opposition, we still played badly enough to not deserve a win.
However, first of all I'd question the legitimacy of the comments and the sincerity of them. Wenger, just like Fergie and Mourinho occasionally deliberately spouts bullshit especially after a loss, just to take the focus of the team. Actually, I'm confident that an intelligent man like Wenger doesn't really believe this - you could tell it from his attitude and his defeatist tone after the Chelsea game that he knew we had some major problems.
Empty promises and nothing to show? That's a perfect demonstration of the point I have been making for a while, there are a lot of fans who either don't understand the path the club has been on or simply factor it out of their analysis thereby viewing everything from a wildly negative slant. I'll grant you, the promises sure did look empty for a while there, but the fact is they are starting to be met - right on schedule. And nothing to show? That's a ludicrous denial of the self evident. The club has been transformed financially. It may be you don't value the business side of things or don't see any correlation between the business and the team and if that's your point of view then fine, it's your choice. But to say there is nothing to show and we are left with empty promised. That's just bullshit of the same standard as Wenger being clueless, or Wenger robbing the club or whatever other trash is being used by a section on the fans to belittle the club and the manager. Making these types of claims has got nothing to do with tactics or results, it's just a personal vendetta and blind dismissal of the facts. What did you call it? In denial? Correct, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Ferguson would have long given up talking to the press by now if he was being subjected to this psychotic media agenda. It's perfectly valid to question results and team selections and other such things, but to broaden the attack to almost every aspect of the club, to paint a picture of almost everything being at fault or mismanaged or in crisis, it's just bullshit. There's an image earlier in the thread of scandalous lie of a headline created out of thin air by the Daily Himmler. These bastards aren't capable of criticising within any kind of real world context, and neither are many of the fans to be honest. How can there be any honest debate when shit is just being made up?
The path they took was clearly one for financial gain in my mind and it's worked out very well for everyone (except the fans), you may think they are starting to be met but after another season of the same old same old I'm just not convinced, yes we signed Ozil but the club were under such intense pressure from the fans after a disastrous transfer window they almost had no choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Most concerning to me is the manager's attitude towards those massive and hugely embarrassing defeats (we're not Stoke or Barnet we're one of the biggest clubs in the land and have been for many yes and results like this are simply unacceptable, for it to happen 3 times is just plain ridiculous), he really doesn't seem that bothered about them, maybe he should be more concerned that he and his team have embarrassed this club as much as they have, or maybe it's just the fact he can get away with whatever he wants at this club and never has to answer to anything or anyone.
There's no personal vendetta here, just a loss of patience for the same BS he always seems to come out with whenever things go pearshaped which incidentally seems to be every single season, you have to ask yourself when we he actually ever learn that he needs to change things, the answer seems to be never.
I don't want to hear about spirit or togetherness anymore, don't want to hear about the young players excuse and don't want to hear about being close anymore when we get trounced, I just want some honesty and some action to be taken rather than plain denial of the facts in front of his eyes.
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Pretty much.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...end-at-arsenal
This feels like his last season or we're certainly approaching the end. Wenger says he'll sign for next season unless he changes his mind. That's not reassuring and I hope the Board haven't put all their eggs in one basket.
Most concerning to you is an interview in the media? At least it's nothing serious. Partially concerning to me is the way some fans hop from one media piece to the next as if any of it is real. The personal gain thing - who are you talking about? The ones that left with all the money, or the ones that remained? Either way, you say getting beaten by the chavs invalidates all else so we end up with empty promises and zero change. Is that your argument? No trophy therefore nothing else has happened at the club? Is that your logic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim