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Look, it is ideal as well you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
The spirit in the dressing room must be absolutely rotten.
Wenger's philosophy is dead, players just don't buy into it anymore.
That article seems to suggest very much that Wenger established a personal relationship with Kroenke. I'm sure Kroenke very much admired his achievements prior to becoming majority share holder but it also helps when your de facto boss is about as proactive as a monitor lizard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
And even if you're right about the chief executive being an ornamental position, that rather makes it even more plain that Gazidis should not be part of the post Wenger restructuring. If he's taken the job knowing that he will be chief executive in name only and more than happy to be in a job eight years without wielding any influence, what on earth makes you think he's suddenly going to be any good for us when Wenger goes.
If he knew he was ornamental and had no power it kind of makes him doubly stupid for coming out the way he did about the catalyst for change. That either he was spinning or was too stupid to see that Wenger would go above his head no matter what he tried to do.
No matter how you try and frame the Kroenke-Wenger dynamic, I can't see how Gazidis comes out of this looking like anything but a clown.
Don't see what Alexis would have to gain from handing in an official transfer request at this point. It's been clear for ages to everyone that he wants to leave so it's not going to change squat. It'd be far more effective to his cause by putting in performances like he did yesterday instead.
Don't worry, the official Arsenal Youtube channel will put out a video of Theo & Iwobi doing some funny match commentary to suggest that everything is all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Twitter/journos/whatever now saying Monaco won't sell afterall, we haven't even put in a bid for Lemar yet anyway, we want either him or Oxlade, and Oxlade wants a move to us not Chelsea. :wacko:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIui-eKxAecQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Pretty slick. He'll be the only Arsenal player that can say "we" played well on Sunday. I thought the deal with the chavs was agreed and he was having his medical tomorrow. He'd even done the secret chav fan bit in the papers. Not sure they could get a majority of scousers to buy into the Liverpool kit as a child routine if he swaps at this late stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss
You're inferring that the world of football journalism and it's even more sinister bastard child offspring of online, bite-sized social media hot-takes lacks any integrity and even less dignity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss
As well, welcome to the Monaco negotiating table. They said they wanted 80 mill and you'd have to give them a big round of applause if they manage to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firmino Is Boss
Agreed. There should be top top top dignity at all times as ravenous clubs and agents scuffle to pick at our carcass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
6 years today since the 8-2 spanking at Old Trafford. Not a whole lot of change since then really, we even have a better squad now and we're somehow worse off. Terrible, terrible manager. You know some fans were actually pleased he stayed on?
I guess I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
And to top it off, 'Sky Sources' have appeared. :bow:
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Moon landing was fake!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
DT's AFTV rant from yesterday is about to reach a million views.
At least someone is benefiting from our misery. :penguin:
Awful season last season followed by an awful summer with one lucky signing (Lacazette was only signed because Athletico were on a transfer ban, if not for that he wouldn't be here, the freebie was signed in Jan apparently), awful start to the new season, seemingly only interested in selling players, Gabriel, Mustafi, Ozil, Ox, Sanchez potentially all off and not even able to get rid of those we needed to get rid of, Gibbs, Debuchy, Wilshere, Walcott, Welbeck etc etc this is a disaster, Wenger is destroying this club.
So was Ozil's purported football acumen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Boom Boom. Tbfh.
Admired his achievements? That's an understatement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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So Stan is on recording saying he's admired Wenger from afar for more than a decade (article written in 2011), Gazidis joined us in 2009, has no relationship with Stan and at a time where Wenger is considered god around the club because he built the stadium with his bare hands, you honestly think being more 'proactive' could somehow influenced Kroenke more than our golden goose Wenger? You can't be that daft, can you? It's take over a decade just to convince most of the people on GW that Wenger is the root cause of the problem and we follow Arsenal daily. Gazidis looks like a clown but does anyone really care? Everyone involved with the club is part of this circus act.Quote:
You know something,” he says. “Arsène is one of my favourite people I have met in the last 20 years. He is a great person and I love the way he handles himself. I love his focus. He is a very intelligent guy. You can talk to him about anything and, when he starts talking to people, I really love to listen to him. He should hold seminars he is so good at it.
"I have tremendous confidence in him. He is one of the great managers in the world.” So could Wenger, under such scrutiny of late, go on to match Sir Alex Ferguson and potentially manage at Arsenal for another decade? Kroenke’s endorsement could hardly be more emphatic.
“With Arsène, it’s his decision and only he will know that,” he says.
“He still maintains himself in tremendous physical shape. You have to have stamina and energy. It’s an energy business. You are coaching, training, travelling and in stadiums packed with pressure. It’s almost like you are training like an athlete. Arsène has great energy and that will always be his decision.” Kroenke then reveals that he has been admiring Arsenal from afar for more than a decade.
“I have always been aware of Arsenal,” he says. “I would say it was about 10 or 12 years ago that I really started following Arsenal. I followed very closely the season when Arsenal went unbeaten. It was unbelievable. I went over to see several games when *Thierry Henry was still there.”
Kroenke also discloses a conversation involving Billy Beane, the famous baseball coach whose life story is the subject of bestselling book Moneyball and a new Hollywood film in which Brad Pitt plays the lead role.
“Billy Beane is a very famous guy in America,” Kroenke says. “And do you know who his idol is? Arsène Wenger. No kidding. You know why? His ability to spend money and extract value. That is what it is all about to be successful in pro sports.
“If you can do that better than other people, you are always going to be pretty good. Billy Beane’s idol is Arsène Wenger. Check it out.”
Also, I don't actually put much stock in the chief executive job. In modern football, I hear more about the relationship between the owners and the manager. If we actually had a good manager, we wouldn't even care who about the staff around the club.
You are very close to hurting my feelings with your racist micro-agressions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Do I think it's conceivable that had there been a more independent minded and competent chief executive who was in place before Kroenke became majority share holder who had spent years building a relationship with Kroenke they could have gone to him directly before the end of last season could have persuaded him not to have just blindly hand Wenger a new deal in light of the fact that arguably his ability to deliver for the club financially was under question (one of Wengers main selling points to Kroenke before he even met him)....yes I do think it's conceivable.
You realise don't you that Wenger is a bit different from ordinary managers in the level of responsibility he assumes at the club?
We don't have any kind of structure and a new manager is not going to want to put one in place, most of them are head coaches. Therefore who puts the structure in place?. It's going to be the chief executive isn't it....it's certainly not going to be Kroenke.
You're talking to me as an individual not as the hive mind for Goonersweb, I've made it clear how I've felt Wenger should go for six years.
I was well aware of Wenger having very little in the way of checks and balances on him, because we saw people like Dein, Fiszman and Edelman leave the club or in the case of Fiszman snuff it.
But Arsenal isn't a state owned entity and Wenger is not Nicolae Ceaucescu and this is not Steau Bucharest. He was allowed to take all that responsibility by men with no footballing knowledge who just wanted to defer their own responsibility and Gazidis is just another in a long line of people who are culpable in that respect.
But to your question who cares if Gazidis is a clown or not, well we all will once Wenger goes.
It's not that hard to understand. Wenger is the golden goose. When you hear the way Stan talked about extracting value from the market, you can see why he loves Wenger so much. If we're bought out by a guy that worships Wenger, it's going to a take a lot for the smoke to clear and see that he's lost a step. It's the same with Usmanov as well. With all his takeover bid talk, he hasn't got a bad word to say about Wenger and he lays the blame on all the people around Wenger running the club. So imagine if he took over the club? Wenger would keep his job and we'd probably see a few internal changes which would make no difference to what we're seeing now. So even campaigning for a new owner is pointless unless the owner is not smitten with Wenger and can see he has lost his touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Spuds joining the chase for Lemar.
Utd have made enquiries to Alexis' representatives about a possible move. That's just Maureen rubbing salt I suppose.
This is a pointless debate. We started this conversation because of what's been said on Le Grove and Arseblog about Gazidis trying to make a power move. It obviously looks like it has failed, but it looks like there was an attempt and the owner was having none of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
This is where you have to connect the dots when rumours of a Director of Football started circulating and Wenger shooting the idea down. You've got a bad memory because we've had this discussion before about structural changes. From the appointment of Jonker as new Youth Academy coach, to the new medical staff members, scouts and even a new lawyer and the introduction of new tech like the GPS vests, StatDNA . Those are structural changes coming from Gazidis, along with the new sponsorship deals. But it doesn't make a difference if the manager fails to utilise what he's given.Quote:
We don't have any kind of structure and a new manager is not going to want to put one in place, most of them are head coaches. Therefore who puts the structure in place?. It's going to be the chief executive isn't it....it's certainly not going to be Kroenke.
GPS vests in training say our players are in the red zone and close to breaking down....Wenger keeps playing them regardless. £200m to spend in the transfer window....Wenger comes back with a profit instead of spending what's given. The man resists change. We'll see how this develops but we'll probably here more about what's going on behind the scenes.
What are you two on about? Does any of this have anything to do with transfers?
Here we are on the verge of signing Mbappe, Arsenio, Lemar, Van Djik, Draxler and Jonny Evans signing and you two are banging on about fantasy stuff.
Don't forget we still Ramsey, the greatest footballer everQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger is like a washed up retired ex boxing champion who steps into the ring with a current world champion and offers to take him on blindfolded with both his hands tied behind his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
On a serious note I have no idea how he judges his own current performance if he does that at all? The fact that he had to go grovelling & pleading to the owner to extend his contract says as much about how much he rates his ability as it does the state of the leadership of our club.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...sing-room.html
What a joke. You can only hope Wenger was offered a new contract under certain conditions. 3 games in and it looks like a complete mess. Despite moving a few pawns on the chessboard, we're seeing the same process.Quote:
Inside Arsenal's broken dressing room: Arsene Wenger stays silent after Liverpool debacle while angry players moan that training never changes
Arsenal suffered a demoralising 4-0 defeat at the hands of Liverpool at Anfield
The Gunners have lost back-to-back games and sit 16th in the Premier League
Pressure is building on Arsene Wenger after number of fans walked out
Another defeat, another virtually silent dressing room. If there was ever a time to air some home truths then Anfield’s away facilities at around 6pm on Sunday was it.
Petr Cech is understood to have had a few choice words to say — but by and large, yet again, it was a morgue. Lifeless. The biggest apology arrived on social media by Mesut Ozil. It’s easier that way.
The players do care. They’ve clashed in the dressing room before, particularly after their humiliating 5-1 loss at Bayern Munich in February.
But their manager’s reluctance to engage in confrontation has seemingly rubbed off on Arsenal’s underperforming stars.
Arsene Wenger was within his rights to unleash hell after the 4-0 defeat by Liverpool. But he didn’t, instead choosing to bottle up his feelings and retreat into the international break.
To his players and staff, however, it was not surprising.
This summer was supposed to be the time for change at the Emirates. But those behind the scenes say nothing has really altered.
Yes, there have been some new appointments. Jens Lehmann has joined the coaching staff, and Darren Burgess has become the head of high performance. Tony Colbert, a long-term Wenger aide, has joined the technical staff despite having a background in fitness coaching.
But all staff appointments go through Wenger. And despite the change in faces, the club’s training sessions — on the pitch and off it — are largely the same, much to the players’ disapproval. They have been going through the same old routine for years. No wonder they are producing the same old results.
Lehmann’s training field duties are unclear, and assistant manager Steve Bould’s input in training is understood to be minimal. Wenger remains king and his crown is not slipping.
Players feared as much when the 67-year-old signed his new two-year deal at the end of last season. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain’s determination to leave speaks volumes. Arsenal have offered him a contract worth £180,000 a week, yet he is still keen to leave this week, with London rivals Chelsea the likely destination. The chances of him earning more elsewhere seem remote. What does that tell you?
Alexis Sanchez wants out, too. Sportsmail understands his representatives have now told Arsenal officials that the striker will not sign a new deal under any circumstances. Arsenal have offered him £300,000 a week.
Even those players who aren’t actively seeking moves fear Arsenal will only rediscover their glory days once Wenger leaves.
That’s not to say those disgruntled players don’t have respect for their manager. They do. But they no longer believe the Frenchman will make the changes necessary to put Arsenal back on track.
The Gunners have three days to strengthen their squad, but the focus is on selling players.
Shkodran Mustafi and Lucas Perez could yet leave for Inter Milan and Deportivo, respectively. How can over £50million worth of talent be deemed surplus to requirements just a year after they signed?
Similarly, why did Wenger drop £52m record signing Alexandre Lacazette for Sunday’s shambolic effort at Anfield? It’s a decision that left his team-mates scratching their heads.
It is conceivable that Arsenal will finish the summer transfer window having recouped more than they have spent.
Perhaps things might improve. The club’s transfer fixer Dick Law is almost certain to leave before next summer, with former Team Sky contract guru Huss Fahmy, who joined the club in June, set to lead player negotiations.
But many at the club believe only one change will finally spark a true switch in direction.
The Arsenal board were split over whether Wenger should have been allowed to sign a new deal over the summer.
But majority shareholder Stan Kroenke holds the cards and he’s pro-Wenger. Very pro-Wenger. But there’ll be a few ‘I told you so’ faces around him right now.
Kroenke will back his manager for now but he’ll be taking a keener interest than ever given the restlessness from supporters and those on the board.
Arsenal sacking Wenger remains an unthinkable concept. But another season without Champions League football, and Kroenke could have a question to answer.
All so very predictable.
Klopp, the man our gutless and incomprehensibly greedy owners never even glanced at when he left Dortmund, is ready to spend big at the tail end of the transfer window to take full advantage of the momentum he is generating at Liverpool. He's the perfect opposite of the old fool we have running our club. Wenger treats momentum like a life and death game of whackamole. Wherever the curse of momentum surfaces, Wenger goes full guns to destroy it, even when he's forced into public displays of insanity.
Lacazette is just the latest example in a chain of catastrophic decisions stretching back a decade. You spend 44 million of the club's money on France's top scoring striker, your signing puts in a couple of competent performances as he finds his feet in a new league. Lacazette seemed to be settling well and is one of the few players that won't have had a chance to get fed up of Wenger yet. His confidence and enthusiasm would have been high. How has Wenger countered this?
In the Stoke game he subbed him when we needed a goal. And in the first game against supposed title rivals (don't laugh) he benches him and, when he eventually brings him on, sticks him on the left. Mission accomplished. Lacazette will likely be feeling as shitty and confused as everyone else at the club.
Oh and Wenger did the same with Kolasinac. The fans were liking what they saw so Wenger stomped all over that.
Momentum. His mortal enemy.
They can make as many minor changes as they want, but as long as Wenger is king the changes will never be profound enough to make a difference. I'm not surprised at all with how the season has started, I bet half the squad were on the phone to their agents when they found out Wenger was here for another 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
John Cross has said City will offer cash plus Raheem Sterling for Alexis. :lol:
Has there ever been a more compelling and legitimate case in the history of the game to sack a manager? It's really hard to find adequate words now to describe how utterly insane this situation is. Just how long can it go on? How far can the madness be pushed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Apparently Kroenke phoned Wenger last night to offer him his full support. It's almost as if Kroenke has some personal vendetta against Arsenal and is resolved to destroying the club and it's legacy at every level with no stone left unexploded.
Kroenke, the worst owner conceivable. Arsene Wenger, the worst manager in world football - and people laughed at that and said it was an exaggeration. Really? Name a single manager more hopelessly out of his depth.
And we have both of them here at the club. And neither thinks there's a problem, or at least both think all problems can be remedied by Wenger's genius. Best man for the job, apparently. Gazidis, another superstar, said so.
Wow. We are in deep deep shit and we walked right into it in slow motion after a 10 year journey on which every landmark was identical. There couldn't have been more warning signs. All ignored.
Bastards are just taking the piss out of us now. Not enough to take our best player but they dump Sterling on us too? I doubt that's legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The crown has to fall and he has to be knocked off his pedestal. He’s been living off reputation for a long time with everyone around him thinking he’s a genius. It’s taken a while to get the sort of outpouring we’ve seen online, it’s filtering through to the stadium and being expressed openly, the pundits are finally catching on and I’ve just seen Ian Wright say he has to go….the only reason he’s still in the job is because the people that still hold him in high regard think he’s a victim of circumstance. Once the veil falls and he’s exposed, we’ll see if Kroenke has the sense to move him on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Like fuck Sterling would want to come to us :haha:
The atmosphere is going to be really poisonous this season (even more so than last year), such an unhealthy situation for all involved. Yet Wenger will just bury his head further into the sand and use the fan unrest as an excuse for his team not performing.
I think most Arsenal fans were disgusted at the decision to renew his contract. Three games in and it's fully justified. What a mess we're in.
In addition to what you've said. I also don't think you can entirely rule out Wenger jumping before he's pushed even with the way he went about getting his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I think last season there was a question as to whether he'd lost the dressing room. And ultimately I don't think he had. With Mustafi joining Ox, Ozil and Sanchez in wanting to go.....I think there comes a point where even the most selfish and bubble dwelling individuals thinks the money they earn isn't enough to be somewhere where the knives are out for you everywhere.
This situation is just as unprecedented for Wenger as it is for many of us. You heard him whine in May about how disrespectfully he was treated, so whether he acknowledges he is in the wrong or not. It sounds like it does get to him.
I think it will be Ox, Ozil, and Sanchez who leave and maybe Mustafi.
Why would anybody who is any good want to some here ?
Relegation beckons.
Sterling is just like Walcott...just without the goals. a fast non footballer who runs around like a headless chicken.