we should just kill the ****.
then rape him.
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we should just kill the ****.
then rape him.
Yeh, it's not as if wenger would try and get them to play together and put one of them in a different position to do that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
He has no history of doing that.
Definitely an addition.
Tbh, if RVP is sold, or doesn't stay on this season, then we don't need another striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
He was special, in that he could lead the line, and play deep. He also had the "star" factor of doing something out of nothing.
What we have seen from Wenger over the past season, is a move away from marquee stars and ego's, to a more "boring" structured outfit. Arteta is the prime example. It's been more workmanlike.
If he is going to add to the squad, I see it more to do with creative midfield in mind, as I think we have two "goalscorers" up top in Poldo and Giroud....at least, that's what we hope from them.
Meh. I dunno.
Gonna be an interesting few months.
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What Wenger and the club say and actually do are completely seperate. After last years debacle I would have thought some folks would grown wiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Of course they want him to stay but he wants to go and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. Giroud...what does he know. Also, why would the club slap a gag order on RVP if there was nothing to hide? They've been trying to keep this situation quiet for while and work out a way to fix it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ners-next.htmlQuote:
IT started with a trickle and quickly became a stream.
Now the floodgates are wide open and Arsenal are up the creek without a paddle.
Robin van Persie’s announcement that he will not be signing a new contract has left Arsene Wenger and his daydreaming directors in a state of shock.
But the captain’s decision to join the Emirates exodus will come as no surprise to the long-suffering supporters who have witnessed the rapid decline of their team.
Was it really only eight years ago that Arsenal’s Invincibles won the Premier League without losing a single match?
That record-breaking title run should have heralded the dawn of a period of utter domination of domestic and European football.
Instead it proved to be the turning point in the fortunes of a once-great club who have been undone by a lack of ambition and a refusal to move with the times.
True, the team did go on to lift the FA Cup the following year in what was to prove captain Patrick Vieira’s final game for the club.
But the trophy cabinet has been bare ever since that penalty shootout victory over Manchester United way back in 2005.
And Vieira’s departure for Juventus signalled the beginning of a mass migration which has since included (very deep breath)... Robert Pires, Sol Campbell, Ashley Cole, Thierry Henry, Freddie Ljungberg, Jens Lehmann, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, William Gallas, Gael Clichy, Cesc Fabregas, Emmanuel Eboue and Samir Nasri.
Now Footballer of the Year Van Persie wants to add his name to that illustrious list after carrying the team on the back of his 37 goals last season.
The skipper has quite simply run out of patience with Wenger’s worthy intentions and empty promises.
Every year the manager insists his promising young team is finally ready to challenge the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea and Man City for the title.
And every year they get further away from fulfilling those lofty ambitions.
Sure Arsenal have spent much of the money they have banked from the sale of all their superstars. But the replacements are always that little bit cheaper and never quite as good.
Alex Hleb for Vieira anyone? Eduardo for Henry or Arteta for Fabregas?
Wenger is at it again this time, spending £13million on Montpellier striker Olivier Giroud and a further £11m on Lukas Podolski.
But will either prove capable of filling the gaping hole left by Van Persie’s imminent departure? It seems unlikely.
Henry, Fabregas and Nasri all moved on because they could no longer see a time when they would win major trophies with Arsenal.
Van Persie, an 86th-minute sub in that 2005 FA Cup final, has reluctantly come to the same conclusion.
The Dutchman could not have given much more to the club during his eight years in an Arsenal shirt — yet all his best efforts have come to nothing.
And if Van Persie now feels this way, it is inevitable the next generation of Arsenal stars will soon start questioning their own prospects of silverware.
Theo Walcott, like Van Persie, is out of contract next year and has yet to agree a new deal.
He knows that European champions Chelsea are keen on him and who could really blame him for being tempted?
And what about Jack Wilshere, the most talented English player to burst on to the Premier League scene since Wayne Rooney?
Rooney was just 18 when he left Everton for Manchester United, since when he has won four League Championships, two League Cups and the Champions League.
Wilshere is still only 20 and has plenty of time on his side despite missing the whole of last season with a persistent ankle problem.
Yet how long will he be prepared to wait to win his first trophy with Arsenal?
Maybe Van Persie’s bombshell will be the wake-up call Arsenal need to rouse them from their slumbers.
Maybe Wenger will finally accept he has to pay top money if he wants to sign the likes of Eden Hazard, David Silva or Sergio Aguero.
And maybe Stan Kroenke and Ivan Gazidis will stop panicking about Financial Fair Play and realise the new TV deal will provide Arsenal with riches beyond their dreams.
Just don’t hold your breath.
Robin van Persie did that until he was blue in the face. And look where it got him.
Pretty much spot on
That is an incredibly lazy piece and it is criminal that people can actually make a living writing such pap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Shit, any of us could have wrote that. It's a lazy piece and it's all been said before.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
It's just regurgitated crap.
I still say, make Van Persie see out his contract even if he sits on the bench all of next season. We have to make a stand sometime. Same goes for Walcott and Song if they refuse to sign. The money from their sales isn't fully reinvested back into transfers of new players so I say make an example of Van Persie and his agent.
At 30 years old, sitting on the bench for a season, doesn't make you marketable after that does it?
Let him walk on a free - he can try to cause trouble but I don't think he can do any more damage to be honest.
If we fail to make an example of him, then we are well and truly a feeder club.
Like I said earlier - the only thing that I would consider is player swap deals on our terms.
I know Theo isn't everyones cup of tea but after RVP he's the go-to guy. His productivity compares favourably to other players in the league in his position. It's easy to say oh we can sell him because we have so and so to come in, but there's a reason why we stagnate and it's because we turn over the first team on a regular basis.
I will miss RvPs fire thats for sure, some of the lip he gave was right and he stuck up for the team. . .last seasons spat with Krull was classic RvP. . .we have no one to yake that mantltQuote:
Originally Posted by V-Pig
We can only sell so much is what I was going to say, but we are past the tipping point now. So much so that it is now pretty important to hold on to Theo who is genuinely our only healthy saleable asset remaining.
Staggering stuff that it has come to this, but it has been like a slow motion car crash, everyone saw it coming.
Maybe JW could start doing more to wind people up. He'll be Like A New Signing in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Or Sneezey?
Maybe Song could get less cuddly and more vocal?
You read KK's piece in The Times too?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I couldn't read it because it was behind the paywall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Every summer it's the same and every time we hear the same old tired excuses about how the club have done their best, their hands are tied, they've been done over, they've been held to ransom, it's all about money, they didn't know this player was going to go etc etc.
This pattern doesn't keep repeating itself for no reason, there's a fundamental problem with the way the club is run, no top player ever wants to stick around which says a lot about the sum of our ambition to me.
You can't keep blaming the players when the same thing keeps happening.
I dont really blame RVP tbh.
Yeah he more than anyone can show us a bit of loyalty after spending 7 out of the 8 years hes been with us on the treatment table but thats football.
Whether or not he will be classified as a **** by me all depends on who he joins. Barcelona = ****. Anyone else is fine
To be fair cripps - I think what he has done has pretty much sealed it for me. Releasing a statement which openly slams the club's direction is not exactly helpful and to be fair on wenger he made a huge effort last season to put things right at the end of the transfer window. Van Persie has no right to publicly question that whilst still under contract. Not even Cesc, Nasri or Adebayor or Ashely Cole did that until after they were sold. He has been badly advised and honestly...his statement damages the club and any alters the mindset of any prospective signings we may have had lined up. He had no right to say what he did, none at all whilst under contract and being paid by us. I have lost all respect for him and I for one hope we punish him by making him see out his contract from the bench for an entire season. Let's see the effect of unused hamstrings and lack of match fitness can have. While some say it's wrong to keep an unhappy player...i don't buy that especially if the unhappy player sits and whispers sweet nothings from the bench. It would be the ultimate humiliation and deserved.
Van persie is replaceable - every player is, if he;s not replaced by one player then by two.
Dempsey
Lewandowski could easily be added...especially once Bendtner sold.
I think we should let him rot even more than he has.
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Originally Posted by Ach
But that as far as i know has never happened where an unhappy player is kept on the bench for a whole season and it wont happen with us either.
He obviously like he says doesnt agree with the vision Wenger and his puppet Gazidis have for this club and tbh neither do most of us including me so i cant critisise RVP for thinking exactly what i am.
Unfortunately he can leave Arsenal. We, as fans cant. We're stuck with them through the good and bad and now we're down to the ugly.
Our reputation has taken a hit with what RVP said but ultimately most of us know what he said is true. We need to get rid of him asap to whoever, get a replacement in plus other players for other positions and look forward to struggling for a CL place next season
I understand the anger - feel the same myself, but letting a player rot on the sidelines would be poisonous and certainly not the best move for the Club.
We were never going to get big money for him in any case with a year left, it was pretty clear to many that he wasn't going to sign, Juve offered as little as 8 million that should have given us an idea of how other clubs see it.
So he came out and said he won't sign, big deal, too much secrecy at the club and it's about time someone was open for once, don't blame him at all. I'm glad he's slammed the direction of the club, because it needed to be done....this has been going on for far too long.
He's entitled to say what he wants at the end of the day, he's also entitled no to re-sign and for his own reasons (good ones IMO) he isn't going to. I've long questioned the ambition of this club and now we have it in a nutshell, we're a feeder club which brings through kids and sells them on. We're never going to seriously challenge or win trophies under the current system as our priority is profits.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...before-anotherQuote:
Just as Arsene Wenger's plans seemed to be coming together, Robin van Persie's decision to leave Arsenal has thrown them back into disarray.
If there are any positives to be taken out of the Dutchman's revelation, it is that the Gunners have already secured the signatures of Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud. Wenger will have been hoping, of course, to field his new attacking stars alongside Van Persie, but now the duo face the pressure of having to immediately fill the void.
The two signings make the statement released by Van Persie, in which he announced his decision, all the more puzzling; Wenger and Ivan Gazidis, he claims, do not share the same ambitions regarding the direction in which the club is headed, despite the new arrivals.
Yann M'Vila, in addition, has been linked to the club all summer. Short of a Manchester City-style spending spree, which was never a realistic expectation, it is difficult to see what else the Gunners could have done to persuade their captain to stay.
Arsenal, with Van Persie, looked a stronger proposition than they had done in a long time. Wojciech Szczesny finally seemed to have provided a solution in goal, while Laurent Koscielny and Thomas Vermaelen have formed an impressive partnership in front of him.
The return of Jack Wilshere was to be looked forward to, although that now is also in doubt.
Most would not have begrudged Van Persie's wish to leave Arsenal in pursuit of trophies – at the age of 28, his time is running out and he carried the Gunners on his back last season.
But to announce in early July - just as clubs return for pre-season training - that Wenger is not moving the club forward quickly enough despite his concerted efforts to strengthen the squad does no favours to himself or to the club he professes to love.
Now, once again, Arsenal's summer has been thrown into disarray. Failure to reinvest the money made from Van Persie's probable sale – and the wise decision for Arsenal would be to cash in on him while they can – will only result in a backlash similar to the one suffered after the departure of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri last summer.
Wenger needs to spend to appease not only supporters but the rest of his squad, but when he has departed from his prudent approach to the transfer market, the results have not always been successful. Per Mertesacker, Andre Santos, Park Chu-Young and Mikel Arteta were last-minute additions ahead of the 2011-12 campaign; only one worked out.
Fabregas, Nasri and now Van Persie – who next? For the second consecutive summer, just as Arsenal seemed to be getting back on the right track, their fortunes have suffered another devastating blow.
Lazy piece
worked out ok for spurs with modric last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I havent read the full thread but im going to add my two cents for what its worth. What can I say about Arsenal these days that hasnt already been said about Afganistan, it looks bombed out and depleted!!!
RVP is just the latest in a long line of players to leave Arsenal because they felt their ambitions were better met elsewhere. Anelka, Overmars, Petit, Cole, Flamini, Henry, Adebayor, Cesc, Nasri, now Van Persie. Vieira nearly as well to Madrid, but he then decided to stay only for Arsene to ship him off to Juve quickly a couple years later (how's that for loyalty?). Each one of these guys had plenty to give but they all left--not citing money or playing time, but because they wanted the chance to win trophies which they felt was more likely elsewhere.
Everyone always write it off--Anelka was just a petulant child, Cole and Nasri money grubbing aholes, Henry was just getting too old, Cesc wanted to go home etc. It was easy to do when Wenger was still grooming world class players. But there isn't any more at Arsenal right now, and at some point you got to stand back and just realize something is seriously wrong here. Every player praises Wenger as they walk out the door (loveable father figure that I'm sure he is), but ultimately none of his stars stay on board for him. And I don't think it's purely about money for RVP--he was the captain, he's said repeatedly that he wants to stay if the team was competitive at the highest level. Really I thought this was a slam-dunk to get him to stay on if Arsenal was seriously about being a top club. Clearly, that's just not the case.
Arsene Wenger out -And the board and owners with him. For those who will defend Wenger in all of this - he sits back and collects 6million to watch this happen. He is just as bad as the rest of them and in NOO way should he be excused.
Time for Usamov or whatever the feck his name is.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
He rotted on the sidelines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
But Usmanov wants Wenger managing the Club and always praises him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
Should he sell up and go as well?
well, in the team, which is where rvp would if he stayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
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amazingly some good points made in the mail:
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Wenger, to his credit, investigated (signing van der vaart after rvp asked about signing him), but decided against making a move. Case closed. Apparently not. Van Persie has maintained his Fantasy Football attitude ever since.
This summer he is unimpressed with the signings of a 26-year-old German international boasting more than 100 caps, one of Europe’s brightest young centre-forwards, not to mention the emergence of Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain as full international.
The irony, of course, is that Van Persie was himself a signing much like Chamberlain. Did the capture of 21-year-old with a questionable attitude from Holland convince Patrick Vieira et al of the club’s ambition? If it didn’t, we didn’t hear about it publicly.
And that is the key point. Van Persie wants out. Fine. Yet, unlike Cesc Fabregas who kept his counsel while the club toyed with his heart over his move home to Barcelona a year ago, the new captain has driven a wedge between he and the club who stood by him through a wretched injury record and hopeless runs of form. He owed them more five paragraphs.
Victoria concordia crescit, the club slogan. Victory through harmony. Van Persie hasn’t been singing from the same hymnsheet for several years.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1zlC5vIR5
That's a thing that a lot of people seem to miss. Those who think David Dein is more realistic (and isn't stuck in the dark-ages, understands the way football is going etc.) have to also acknowledge that he thinks Wenger is a top class manager who has had his hands tied. Similarly Usmanov says in the open letter that Wenger isn't being allowed to fulfil his potential. If you want a manager change, you're not going to get one no matter who is in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
If the fat bastard wants Arsene thats fine...But he would have take a different approach - to get off Arsenes nutsack and tell him HOW it is, and if he cannot deliver than they will find someone else who can. Id put my money on Usamov taking this approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Well that's just it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
He has alienated himself with the Billy Big Bollocks talk.
Yeah, but the post of mine you quoted was in response and referring to a desire by a poster to see RvP rot on the sidelines. Hence the reference to understanding anger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
I don't get your point at all. Wenger can't take a different approach if the parameters aren't there for him to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey
you expect me to read your posts now??Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Robin you're a cunt, you're a cunt, yes you are.
You live in cunty cottage and you drive a cunty car.
we gave him everything over these 8 years, support when most would have got rid, stood by him during his rape case when something had happened (if im right, he did actually sleep with the girl but was consensual when he was already in a relationship) did what he asked, made him captain. gave him everything and now this.
if he loves the club then he has a weird way of showing it, he knows he is close to theo and song, and knows that they might now leave, he knows that his depature could cause problems and he did it in this way. its shocking, its betrayal and worst of all he has betrayed the man who made him, the man who gave him chance after chance and stood by him when others wouldnt.
As well you know
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Wenger KnowsBest @wengerknowsbest
Recent news is upsetting, I accept that. We want to keep our best players. But Sao Paulo made a good offer for Denilson.
what a lying ****. worse then nasri. stupid lying judas ****Quote:
ROBIN VAN PERSIE reckons there is one player that Manchester City’s money could never buy — him.
The Arsenal striker is a huge supporter of boss Arsene Wenger’s philosophy not to spend big this summer, even though the Frenchman had the green light to fork out £30million on one player.
City’s new Arab owners, meanwhile, are ready to throw bucketloads of cash at recruiting the top names in world football.
Robinho arrived from Real Madrid on deadline day while City also tried to hijack Dimitar Berbatov’s move to neighbours United.
Van Persie admits he is fascinated by the developments at Eastlands — but he would never be lured by a fat pay cheque.
He said: “I was really surprised when they came in for Robinho. I thought ‘What’s happening? Man City and £30m?’
“No they haven’t put an offer in for me and they don’t have to bother! I’m really curious if Manchester City have a plan because it won’t work by only buying the most expensive players.
“It’s about a team. If all the pieces don’t click then the system will fail.
“In principle, Man City could have success but there has to be a philosophy with a whole staff who have a plan for the next four or five years.”
Wenger kept his hand in his pocket despite his board urging him to splash out this summer.
And his stance has the full backing of Dutchman Van Persie, 25.
He added: “The manager wanted to use a certain amount but not the full £30m. He has a principle and if he believes a player is worth £10m then he’ll only pay that amount.
“It’s difficult in this overinflated market. He wanted a player but the selling club were asking far too much in his valuation. So he told them: ‘That’s the price or forget it’.
“We have a small squad but achieving a mental hardness and avoiding injuries can make a difference.”
Im saying Usamav should and probably would set those parameters. Are you saying things would stay the same as far as targets go if Usamov was on board?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.